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Monday, December 15, 2008

While some wait, Doctors can rejoice…

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Many readers may not know, a new career progression system known as the Dynamic Assured Career Progression Scheme (DACP) has already been implemented for all Medical / Dental Doctors appointed under the Central Govt.

Under this scheme, following shall be the career progression structure for General Duty Doctors appointed under any Ministry / Department of the Central Govt :

On appointment
: Pay Band-3 (Rs 15600-39100) with Grade Pay of Rs 5400 (equal to Lieutenant after the 6th CPC)

After 4 years of total service : Pay Band-3 with Grade Pay of Rs 6600 (equal to Major after the 6th CPC)

After 9 years of total service : Pay Band-3 with Grade Pay of Rs 7600 (equal to Lt Col after the 6th CPC)

After 13 years of total service : Pay Band-4 (Rs 37400-67000) with Grade Pay of Rs 8700 (equal to a full Colonel after 6th CPC)

After 20 years of total service : Pay Band-4 with Grade Pay of Rs 10000 (equal to Maj Gen after 6th CPC)

The following (believe your eyes – this is no joke) shall be the career progression for specialists under any Ministry / Department of the Central Govt :

On appointment
: Pay Band-3 with Grade Pay of Rs 6600 (equal to Major after the 6th CPC)

After 2 years of total service : Pay Band-3 with Grade Pay of Rs 7600 (equal to Lt Col after the 6th CPC)

After 6 years of total service : Pay Band-4 with Grade Pay of Rs 8700 (equal to full Col after the 6th CPC)

After 13 years of total service : Pay Band-4 with Grade Pay of Rs 10000 (equal to Maj Gen after 6th CPC)

While this has already been implemented for all Ministries and Departments of the Central Govt, instructions regarding Army Medical Corps and Army Dental Corps have not yet been issued. There is no reason why this should not be implemented on a non-functional basis (pay progression without rank progression) in the AMC/ADC too since the DACP Govt of India letter in Para1 and Para 3 clearly states that it shall be extended to all Medical and Dental Doctors under the Central Govt not just in organised services but also including isolated posts. It is hoped that the office of DG AFMS would have taken note by now.

Readers desirous of having a first hand look at the said Govt of India letter (or those who do not believe their eyes) may do so by clicking here. (Courtesy : Ministry of Health & Family Welfare)

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89 comments:

Anonymous said...

DACP for AMC/ADC will have teething problems. On average it takes 8 yrs for a doc to finish his MD/MS in army. As per DACP, he will draw less pay than a GDMO after assuming his specialist apointment. Will he have to start again in hios pay and allowances. That is not possible. But as per DACP if implimented in army, it will benefit GDMO's much more and as such they are hardly working and will now stop working altogether. DACP will have to be modefied to give edge to specialist doctors in services as well, if ever it comes for service doctors as well .

Working Hard for Peanuts! said...

It can be implemented with ease provided the AMC gets over its hangup with whats on the shoulder. If its working in AIIMS/CHS etc professional worth always will carry weight. After all after AVSC-II there is no dearth of Sr Adv/ consultants who are still carrying out the same work as they were... in fact a number of good specialists who lose out to the administrators in promotions will be motivated that all is not lost.

Anonymous said...

re to anonymous: DACP FOR DOCS. the pay as given in mohfw order for spl doctors is for spls directly rect as specialists in spl cadre or in teaching cadre. most doctors in army are rect as GDMOS. directly rect spl are given appropriate ante date seniority.let us not get into arguments about who is working and who is not. all army officers should seek parity with civilian / ips cadre and NOT pull down each other

Anonymous said...

Well, what about the medical cadres in CPMF's? The apex grade for them is to be reached in 13 years? That sounds a bit surprising!

Anonymous said...

I think it's too early to rejoice. Let the final print come. Always a possibility by virtue of serving with Armed forces the rules may change. Any way good luck to AMC/ADC.

Anonymous said...

I agree with anonymous at 7;42 PM. Let us not pull each other down. I only hope that the service HQs do not shoot this proposal down due to some imagined disparity this may create between doctors and other officers in the armed forces.

Anonymous said...

and thats a wish!! DGAFMS office seems to not have any clue on this matter as usual. why does the fauj move so slowly when it comes to its own personnel and their welfare?

Anonymous said...

@544pm anonymous ,as if you are the only person working or only specialists are the only docs who work.WITH advent of ECHS what ever exposure or work load was there is also gone.AS THE AVERAGE AGE OF SERVICE PERSONAL IS ABOUT 30YEARS .WHAT IS THE PROFILE OF CASES SPECIALISTS SEE.last but not least the is no separate cadre of specialists in AMC . REF AO/SAI.

Anonymous said...

@NAVADEEP, DACP FOR DOCTORS IN CHS/RAILWAYS IS BEING IMPLEMENTED WEF 2002 UPTO NFSG LEVEL. NOW IT IS EXTENDED UPTO SAG. ONLY ORDES HAVE BEEN ISSUED .NONE HAS BEEN PROMOTED TO SAG SO FAR .DOCTORS OF 1977 BATCH WHOSE DPC WAS HELD IN JAN 2007 ,NONE HAVE GOT PROMOTION ORDERS .
PROMOTION TO SAG AS PER DACP THERE IS A RIDER SHOULD HAVE RENDERED 7 YEARS SERVICE INGRADEPAY 8700 INCLUDING SERVICE IN 14300-18300.IN AMC COL SELECTION IS AT 24 YEARS ,AVERAGE ENTRY IS 24 YEARS OR 25YEARS . AT THE AGE 48 OR 49 ONE BECOMES COL (LEAVE THE PRESENT BATCHS) .49 +7 =56 YEARS . SERVICE LEFT IS A YEAR OR TWO FOR RETIREMENT. COL SELECTION SHOULD BE BROUGHT DOWN TO 18 OR 20 YEARS .
RECRUITMENT TO THE POST OF SPECIALIST IN GRADE PAY 6600 , THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT IS POST GRADUATION AND 3 YEARS EXPERIENCE .
where do our fresh specialist stand. where do anonymous at5.44pm stand .

Anonymous said...

anon @ 9.42
dont know your source, but the proposal has already reached the MOD from office of DGAFMS.

Anonymous said...

simple solution. All AMC doctors of 9 yrs of service to put ROG. Otherwise god save you all!

Rajeev said...

The matter should be brought to the attention of DGAFMS immediately.Before AVS I only doctors were getting promoted to LT Col on time scale.After AVS I all fficers started getting promoted to Lt Col.As a result the Lt Col rank got diluted and the number of Lt Col has increased.This is one of the objection raised by Govt to implement PB 4 for Lt Col.As a result doctors are suffering.It is only DGAFMS who can take up the issue with MOD.

Anonymous said...

DEAR NAVDEEP,

WHAT IS THE POSITION OF THE CASE FOR BRINGING LT COL OF OTHER ARMS AND SERVICES TO PB-4? ANY IDEA. CAN WE EXPECT TO SEE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL?

prince

Yogesh said...

Dear sir
what is latest update on moving LT Col to PB4. Any date of announcement or it is a dead issue

Anonymous said...

to all who question issue of parity between AMC officers and the rest: i would like to submit that there was no parity between them ever. a doctor was comm as a capt when others joined as 2nd lt. the 2nd lt would become a col in 16-18 years whereas the poor AMC capt toiled for almost 26 years to be considered for promotion to col.it is to tide over such stagnation in medical services that DACP has been approved for docs. i sincerely hope we dont get bogged down by non issues and AMC is given its due else service in AMC would become inferior to other all india med services.
PS- reg DACP to spl docs one has to remember that to be eligible for direct spl appt in med college one has to do 3yrs post grad then nos of yrs as resident hence faster prom compared to GDMOS. its not applicable for AMC their being no separate SPL cadre. direct spl would get ante date seniority as always.

Anonymous said...

Is it possible for DEFENCE/Army to ignore the Govt order which encompasses all Central Govt Doctors. Previously also regarding DP Allces same confusion was there in 2004, which ultimately got sorted in favour of AMC Doctors, as they were indeed considered at par with all central Govt doctors, be it NPA calculation or DP calcuation.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,
Its all leadership failure,confusion will be always there,because there is problem of parity,seniority promotions and grade.
Army need not publish a seperate order rather it should follow the gazzette notification and whatever extra they can.
I stongly feel that if our generals,minister and seniors cant lookafter thier soldiers and veterans then they have no business to be in chair,please resign.
regards
manjushashok puranik

Anonymous said...

dear army doctors,just compare your salary with railway doctors and any CGHS doctors,everybody has pocketed arears and getting salary in new pay band where as doctors in armed forces are not treated with equality.
manjushaashokpuranik

Anonymous said...

PB4 thru, source NDTV 24X7 8PM news. Hopefully MOD will accept DACP for AMC as well, as the order is all encompassing for all Central Govt Doctors.

Anonymous said...

Forget about the DACP, guys, this pay commn will rob you of your entitlement also. Just visited the CDA(O) and saw that for pay fixation on 1.1.2006, 1.86 times of Basic Pay and Rank Pay ONLY (plus 25% of NPA) in the old scale is being considered So you straightaway lose the 86% DA on the NPA you were getting on that day. Something similar happened after the fifth pay comm and took many years to resolve

Anonymous said...

may i request DGAFMS OFFICE to immidiettly send a memo for new pay calculation based on CGHS scale and govt gazzitte notification.
manjushaashokpuranik

Anonymous said...

Regarding implementation of DACP for Armed Forces Doctors, how can one approach DGAFMS office, to know about the latest progress or for that matter MOD?Is there any Legal option available? Maj Navdeep, who himself is practising Law, will be of any help?

Anonymous said...

DACP unlike ACP involves upgradation in rank and not mererly upgradation in pay scales.AMC should insist for necessary upgradation in rank also.they should not accept it in a diluted ACP form. acceptance in ACP format without change of ranks would be harmful to the cadre in the long run in this very rank conscious armed forces. you will loose out whenever OROP is introduced or whenever some benefits or sops are introduced as per rank. also you will be on a firmer ground in the next pay commission.people who grudge doctors their pay should be reminded that to serve in armed forces even qualified nurses are granted pay of officers. AMC should atleast be given what their civil brethern get. old timers would remember how AMC doctors were denied benefits of NPA in pension fixaton (calculation of minimum pension in a given rank) when the same was given to others.people who matter at DGAFMS OFFICE please note the ministry of health letter is very clear it is DACP and not ACP. do NOT accept ACP in a hurry insist on DACP.
PS: NAVDEEP sir you have stated that in AMC it should be accepted in ACP form may i ask you why. i think you have access to higher powers. request you to forward my veiws to them.(olddoc)

Anonymous said...

@All please mail
Office of the DGAFMS
ARMED FORCES MEDICAL SERVICES
Ministry of Defence
M Block,
New Delhi-110001
E-Mail : dgafms@ndf.vsnl.net.in

CHARTER OF DUTIES : DG-1B(I)

POLICY MATTERS

*Policy matters of AMC officers such as issue/revision/amendment to Army instructions and issue of Govt letters. Issue of admn instructions for implementation of Govt orders.
*Processing of cases for secondment from one service to other and issue of necessary orders.
*Provision of medical officers for various para military organizations and other organizations in accordance with the additional authorization maintained for the purpose.
*Compilation and submission of required reports and returns to the Coord section, Addl DGAFMS and the DGAFMS.
*Compilation of Army List.

Anonymous said...

suno suno thakur ne hizro ki fauz banayi hai,ye log kya kar liye aur kya karenge.

Anonymous said...

Any updates on DACP for the AMC/ADC? Anyone has any idea if the office of DGAFMS doing anything in this regard or the matter is dead.

Anonymous said...

Any NEWS regarding DACP for AMC Doctors? Any NEWS regrading PB4 Notification? Maj Navdeep do you have any info? If yes then pl enlighten us. Thanks

Anonymous said...

Navdeep for our info, will you please post the diluted ACP as suggested by you, and as commented upon in the Chat dt 11 Jan 09.

Anonymous said...

can anyone tell me when this DACP going to implement in AMC

Anonymous said...

DACP for AMC/ADC will not cause teething problems,as our seniours(non AMC ) crying foy pay commission anomalies with our allied services counterpart,here thay only craete problem for AMC,10 yrs back non AMC officer get a rank of maj of 11 yrs of service and poor AMC officer of 5 yrs,they amended for our benefit and introduced AVS making MAJ of 6 yrs of sevice a difference of 5 yrs and AMC officer whose average age of joining army is 29 yrs becoming major in 5 yrs( including inturnship or lt ranf of 1 yrs ) that benefit of 1 yrs only.means doing MBBS cost a bebefit of 1 yrs antedate only,however at everypost in glacier 1 doc is there.poor AMC wale got no sahayk no gadi throughout there life.that why DACP will boost the morale of AMC docs at last we are getting only pay benefit fm army after doing 24 hrs duty.look at poor specilist loke surgery,anaesthesia,physicians,gynaecologist they do 24 hrs duty 24x 7 while non AMC officer enjoing good promotion 24x7 sahayk,24x7 gadi nothing to do expept some signature and passing msg of seniournow only this DACP which already implemented of all central gov doc should be implemented in AMC as soon as possibe or iam going to court

Anonymous said...

Dacp should be implemented immediately otherwise there is hidden discontentment brewing in AMC offrs not good for organization and people getting ready to go to court

Anonymous said...

Maj Navdeep,
u guys have been talking of DACP for AMC, and 48 TS AMC gp capts havent got their pay arrears so far!(dont know bout Army and Navy.) Could some one guide them?

Anonymous said...

any news about DACP implementation in AMC

Anonymous said...

letter approved by air force about dacp

This is the only branch which has only direct entry officers with MBBS / BDS as minimum qualification. There is no departmental commission scheme to Medical / Dental branch. Thus, stagnation in a rank and supersession of otherwise qualified professionals is expected to be high.

(e) The Armed Forces Medical Officers are second to none in terms of specialization. They are comparable to the best in any other government service. These officers, therefore, need best method of attraction and retention.

(f) In the profession of Medicine, older the professional, better is the levels of confidence both for the provider and user. In other words, a Doctor becomes more useful as he/she gets older because of experience. Thus, unlike Combat branches, where exit of the superseded is preferred, to keep the Combat force younger in age profile, in the Medical profession “Old could be considered as Gold”. So to retain the best, ACP may be considered necessary. The 6th CPC in para 6.2.4 of its report, other than Scientists, has recommended extension in age of retirement by two years only for Medical Specialists.

(g) The denial of ACP to Armed Forces medical officers will lower the motivation for young doctors to join Armed Forces vis-à-vis other government departments.

(h) The denial of dynamic ACP also has wider implication as brought out in para 11-13 of the SOC.

7. Having examined the need to grant ACP to Doctors of AFMS cadre, its implication on the other branches merits consideration.

(a) Dynamic ACP for Doctors was first recommended by 5th CPC. The extracts from the recommendations of 5th CPC vide para 52.15. Taking guidance from this recommendation, 6th CPC too in its report has recommended grant of ACP to Doctors upto SAG Scale vide3 para 3.6.7. A significant aspect of both these reports (5th & 6th CPC), is that it not only authorises financial upgradation but also promotion. This can upset the command and control structure at various formation levels. Hence, Dynamic ACP as recommended by 5th or 6th CPC in its recommended form may not be implementable in Armed Forces.

(b) An alternate option which would ensure financial benefit to AFMS doctors yet not disturbing the present command and control structure would be to authorise only financial upgradation and not authorise any promotion to officers unless otherwise due in normal course. Such an action will ensure the following.

(i) Grant of SAG to doctors will not matter much financially as they would anyway be in PB-4 by that time. The increase will be in grade pay to Rs 10,000/- while holding the rank of Wg Cdr / Gp Capt/ Air Cmde & equivalent.

(ii) The other benefit will be in enhancing the class of Travel both on Duty and LTC.

(iii) In the existing scenario also, Doctors are drawing higher rates of pay and allowances than those superior in rank in other branches. In view of the same, no anomaly is forseen by implementing the concept of financial upgradation only through ACP in Armed forces for Doctors of AFMS cadre.

8. The grant of pay promotion to Medical Officers is being sought to ensure parity with civil doctors.

9. In view of the foregoing, only financial upgradation through Dynamic ACP is recommended for Armed Forces Medical Officers.

10. The issue may please be taken up by your office for decision in PPOC and COSC so as to ensure a joint service response on the subject. The IAF does not propose to individually respond to the input sought by MoD.

11. This has the approval of CAS.

Anonymous said...

any news about DACP in AMC

Anonymous said...

MoD has no option but to implement DACP in AMC/ADC. How can MoD ignore MoHFW Office Memorandum dt 29 Oct 2008 regarding extension of DACP scheme in respect of Medical/Dental doctors under their control. There will be lot of legal hassles apart from demotivation in the ranks of Doctors if DACP scheme not immediately implemented by the Govt. Office of DGAFMS should take immediate step to seek AFMS Doctors in parity with CGHS counterparts otherwise service in AMC would become inferior to other All India Med Services. In AMC, Promotion Board from Lt Col to Col is still being held at 22 years of service as Captain. In comparison, in Other Arms and Services, it is being held at 14-16 years of commissioned service. Let the Doctors of AMC/ADC be compensated by DACP scheme.MoD should not delay the implementation of DACP scheme in AMC/ADC.

Anonymous said...

Even the Civilian Doctors under DGAFMS Cadre have been given DACP,only Doctors that are left out are Defence Doctors, be it AMC, ADC or RVC.
Maj Navdeep must write something sympathetic, atleast.Even a consolation article from Maj Navdeep is comforting.

Anonymous said...

DEAR MAJ NAVDEEP , WHY ARE YOU NOT UPDATING US ALL ON DACP FOR AMC/ADC/RVC. IT IS VERY DISHEARTING, ATLEAST LET US KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT IT. HAS ANYONE FROM THESE SERVICES GONE TO COURT ON THIS MATTER ?

Anonymous said...

Please see the latest on conveyance allces for RAilways Doctors. It seems like DACP, this will also remain an illusion for Armed Forces Doctots.

http://www.indianrailways.gov.in/DEPTTS/finance/Fin-estb-cir/rbe_135.PDF

Bye

Anonymous said...

Any update on DACP for AMC, Nonfunctional Financial upgradation for Armed Forces and Lowering of service for Col TS?

Anonymous said...

Maj Navdeep your article on REMOVAL OF LMC BAN FOR PROMOTION, Continuation of pay even on SIX MONTHLY HOSPITAL ADMISSION are excellent and really really very very helpful, so is the article on 3 monthly medicine for ECHS.
Please write something about the persons in AMC also, some info on DACP or Col TS, or implementation of Nonfunctional Financial Upgradation for Defence.
I know you are very very busy but still we beleive your statement only, even if its an insignificant one.

Anonymous said...

Any update on DACP for AMC? Anybody...

Anonymous said...

DACP implementation for Armed Forces Doctors, Update, anybody.

nagendra said...

Now it seems like DGAFMS office has forgotten DACP leave aside its implementation.....

Anonymous said...

AFT rules in favour of just demand for MNS Officers.
Hope DACP for AMC will also see the light of the day...ONE DAY..

http://www.indianmilitary.info/2010/04/mns-officers-entitled-to-service.html

Anonymous said...

Has anyone tried to find out the present status of implementation of DACP in MOD through RTI?

lets file RTI and ask for notings given by authorities in this context.

Anonymous said...

Has DACP for AMC died its unnatural death? Maj Navdeep pl give your valuable suggestion, even if it is against implementation of DACP for AMC.

shalendra said...

ANY NEWS ABOUT DACP,ITS ALREADY IMPLEMENTED IN FOR BSF,CRPF,RAILWAY AND ALL OTHERS CENTRAL GOVERMENT DOCTORS

Anonymous said...

I heard file regarding DACP put up to chief on last mon ,he didnt give any remark,but after 2 days file putup to defence secy,he signed it,n now file is in finance min

Anonymous said...

anon@june 20 more than 20days now where is the DACP file, pl update.how will the file move there's not even a perm DG. hope the file just doesn't disappear/hibernate.(old doc)

Anonymous said...

DACP for AMC:Any UPDATE anybody?

Maj Navdeepji any update from your side?

Anonymous said...

Navdeep Sir please say something. even if it is negetive dil ko thodi tassali hoti hai aap ki baat se. Thankyou.

Anonymous said...

DACP latest, I think an appeal has been made to DG for consideration.However still everything is heresay only.

Anonymous said...

Implementation of DACP for Doctors of Defence, latest info.Maj Navdeep any thing latest?

Anonymous said...

DACP has been implemented for all the central govt doctors.apart from CGHS the railways impl vide rly bd letter no PC-V/2008/ACP/2 dt 07.01.2009. along with all perks and priveleges of higher rank incl metal pass.it has been impl for doctors of cpmf like crpf, bsf, itbp etc by min of home (MHA order UO no 27012/4/2009-PF.III dt 20 aug 2009. even DGAFMS cadre civil doctors have got the same. i think MOD should implement DACP in AFMS on the same lines as it has been for the central para military forces. would we like that service conditions in armed forces for the doctors is worst compared to other central services.i hope DACP is impl before next round of rect (comm) is announced by DGAFMS. (old doc)

Anonymous said...

Lets hope and pray for quick implementation of DACP for AMC.

Anonymous said...

instead of cribbing here about non implementation of DACP or just guessing about the progress just file RTI to MOD, Army HQ and DGAFMS office and ask about the present status of implementation of DACP. then we can discuss the replies given in RTI in this forum.

AMC officers please spend this Rs10 which can get u something invaluable.

Anonymous said...

Ano on 12 Sep10. Rs 10 has been spent, thank u 4 u r suggestion. RTI has been filed to DGAFMS office for DACP for more than a month, however as of now there is complete silence on that RTI.

Anonymous said...

it is very surprising not to get a reply from DGAFMS even after 30 days for a RTI-CLEAR VIOLATION OF LAW.i am sure Navdeep, sir will agree and throw some light on the further course of action in such a case.

Anonymous said...

one RTI filed for comments regarding progress of DACP in MOD, D- Med Section says that DACP is not applicable to AMC officers as their terms of employment are different from other central Govt employees and they are entitled to pay and allowances like regular officers only including hard posting allowance.

Thats it....

so only court can help us doctors...

Anonymous said...

ano on sep13...
have u filed an appeal??

Anonymous said...

so the DACP issue for Defence doctors is hereby killed by the defence minister.

GO to rajya sabha website
http://164.100.47.4/newrsquestion/ShowQn.aspx

in session 219, ministry: Defence, read question no 4350, S.No 4350 raised by kalraj mishra


GOVERNMENT OF INDIA
MINISTRY OF DEFENCE
RAJYA SABHA
QUESTION NO 4350
ANSWERED ON 05.05.2010
DENIAL OF PB AND GP RS. TO DEFENCE SERVICE DOCTORS .

4350 SHRI KALRAJ MISHRA
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to satate :-


(a) whether Defence service doctors are denied the Pay-Band IV with a grade pay of Rs.10,000/- (p.m.) as part of the Assured Career Progression, as it is given to all Central Government doctors including the civilian doctors in the Ministry of Defence;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and

(c) whether it is the policy of Government of offer incentives to doctors joining Armed Forces including hard posting allowance?

ANSWER

MINISTER OF DEFENCE

(SHRI A.K. ANTONY)

(a) to (c): A Statement is attached.

STATEMENT IN RESPECT OF PARTS (a) TO (c) OF RAJYA SABHA STARRED QUESTION NO. 4350 FOR 5.5.2010 REGARDING DENIAL OF PB-4 AND GP, Rs.10,000 TO DEFENCE SERVICE DOCTORS.

Terms and conditions of service as also pay and promotion avenues of Armed Forces Medical Services are different and specific to their employment and as such Dynamic Assured Career Progression (DACP) is not applicable.

2. Doctors joining Armed Forces are entitled for those allowances which are applicable to regular officers including hard posting allowance.





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So are we going to accept this or will do something to help ourselves

Anonymous said...

so armed forces docotr are not authorised priveleged like other arms like promotoin,sahayaks n gadi because they are docotr....other way army docotr are not authorised priveled like docotr (DACP) beacause they are army officer,....even auvervedic,vetenary and dental doc of central gov getting more pay than the doc sitting in hard areas

Anonymous said...

@ sept 24 reg dacp being denied. why dont you approach the supreme court for issuing a writ to the govt for restoration of fundamental rights under article 14 of our constitution, which grants equality before the law and equal protection of the law. the pay comm report para 3.6.7 clearly states that dacp would be applicable to all cat of central govt doctors and similar is min of health order for impl of the same. if this continues very soon defence docs would loose even their NPA since their salaries would be equated with other defence offrs of similar rank. maj navdeep may be able to help. any comment maj navdeep you have been silent on the matter for too long

Anonymous said...

Refer para 3.6.7 of 6 CPC (Pg 200). 5th CPC, yes 5th and not 6th CPC had recommended scheme of DACP for different streams do Doctors. However the scheme of DACP as recommended by 5 CPC was implemented for Doctors in CHS and a few other cadres. Accordingly DACP need to be retained in its existing form. Further the scheme would need to be extended to other Categories of Doctors, presently not covered under the scheme, as similar career advancement has to be ensured for all doctors whose Basic work remains SAME irrespective of the Organisation or service to which they belong. Accordingly the 6 CPC recommends that the DACP scheme recommended bt the 5 CPC for different stream of doctors should be extended
To all doctors, including those in isolated posts.Refer para 3.6.13 of 6 CPC, The scheme of DACP recommended by the commision for ALLOPATHY Doctors should be extended, mutatis-mutantis, to the doctors of various streams of Indiam Medicine like Ayurveda,Yoga, Sidha, Unani and Homeopathy. This will ensure general parity.
Also refer para 2.3.13 of 6 CPC (pg 85), which clearly states that status of the Defence Forces
Officers would be determined by the GRADE Pay only and not with MSP.

Anonymous said...

The reasoning for acceptance of NPA for all Central Govt Doctors were given as mentioned in para 4.2.52 of 6 CPC I.e. The Basic medical course is of a longer duration (4 1/2 years of internship). Due to this the Doctors are able to enter Govt service at a later stage. Whereas in other services the average age of entry of a graduate direct commision is about 21 years, in the medical it is about 25 years. Accordingly promotion prospects for them are lesser vis-a-vis officers in other Organised services.NPA to doctors is paid not only for the loss of private practice but also to compensate for longer duration of studies, longer working hours, nature of duties and to compensate for the relatively lesser promotional prospect that exists.
DACP implemented for all Central Government Doctors (Railways, Para Military, CGHS, Ordnance Factory Doctors, and Civilian Doctors under DGAFMS. The reason is the inability to attract good doctors to the government-due to long years of training and poor career prospects in the services. For the first time the 6th pay commission addressed this problem, and tried to bring parity amongst the professionals and the administrators who get into the Jt Sec grade at about 14 - 18 years of service, while doctors would be languishing in lower grades till 25th or the 26th year of service.

Anonymous said...

@ reading through all the posts above from 25 Dec 2008 to date...

" Man proposes...Government disposes!"

Come on guys..surely you should have realized your place in the scheme of things by now?!

Anonymous said...

DACP, u r comments are like adding insult to injury. Bravo Boss, whosoever u r.

Anonymous said...

everyone must put up an RTI at least regarding non implementation of the DACp...following which we should help the persons fighting the case in court!!!

Anonymous said...

Why RTIs?When MOD has already stated the reasons for nonimplementation of DACP.

Anonymous said...

The tenure of National Anomaly Committee, set up to look into anomalies arising out of recommendations of Sixth Central Pay Commission, has been extended up to 31st March, 2011. The National Anomaly Committee is not expected to submit any report. Anomalies are resolved through the process of constructive dialogue and discussion with the representatives of the Staff Side

Anonymous said...

I think the statement in rajya sabha is good faith for organisation,if we file RTI then we get only non functional basis implementation,now any body goes to court it will be implemented with rank ,so its sure every docotr in armed forces become Maj general before retirement,thanks to all those person who are behind not implementing DACP

Anonymous said...

Who will Bell the Cat? Its all quiet on the Western Front, my friend.The Silence is deafening!!

Anonymous said...

@anon oct 02 10:58 reg DACP has any case been filed or you are merely shooting in the air and everyone waiting for someoneelse. that would be very sad for the org. i fully agree with you that dacp should be accepted only with upgradation of ranks and not in ACP form as suggested by some. will this have any effect on pensioners.

Anonymous said...

Its everyone else waiting for that someone else for DACP.It will also pass as a sad missed opportunity.Pahle up...pahle up...aur gaddi chut geya.

Anonymous said...

DACP for AMC seems like a mirage, with no hope in sight.Anybody any latest info?

Anonymous said...

i have heard that file is not closed but is under consideration by PPOC and COSC who will give their final recommendation in this regard.

does anybody know what is PPOC and COSC?

Anonymous said...

DACP for AMC: I thought with RM clarifying in the Rajya Sabha about rejection of DACP (authenticity I dont know, saw it in this blog only), the matter is laid to rest. PPOC or others dont matter. I think Maj Navdeep can thpw some light on it.

DACP:http://www.indianmilitary.info/2008/12/while-some-wait-doctors-can-rejoice.HTML?showComment=1285348765719#comment-c4307736866411713213

..."STATEMENT IN RESPECT OF PARTS (a) TO (c) OF RAJYA SABHA STARRED QUESTION NO. 4350 FOR 5.5.2010 REGARDING DENIAL OF PB-4 AND GPRs.10000 TO DEFENCE SERVICE DOCTORS.

Terms and conditions of service as also pay and promotion avenues of Armed Forces Medical Services are different and specific to their employment and as such Dynamic Assured Career Progression (DACP) is not applicable.

2. Doctors joining Armed Forces are entitled for those allowances which are applicable to regular officers including hard posting allowance "...

Anonymous said...

now if dental,vetenary,aurvedic,homeopathic and medical specilist joined any central gov job,he/she will be in pay band iv in 2 yrs of service and getting three assured promotion with 10000 gd pay in 13 yrs of service,however in AMC he/she have to wait for 13 yrs to come in pay band iv and only two assured promotion nad 95% will never reached to a 10000 gd pay,i thing now any docotr will try for all service and AMC will be the last choice,its not affect the present AMC docotr morale but affect the good docotr breed in AMC,not the AMC will suffer but all patient will suffer

Anonymous said...

u r true,now better to be in BSF,CRPF,Railway Docotr than to be in AMC,the diff will be more if 7th pay commission will be headed by ARmed forces seperately,URs NPA will also go

Anonymous said...

DACP should be given to AMC docotrs because The Armed Forces Doctors are one of the best in India. Armed Forces Medical College is ranked amongst the top 5 medical colleges in the country and the alumni are placed at respectable positions all over the world. The entrance examination is much tougher than IITs ar shall I say even IIMs as there are only 130 seats. IITs have around 14000 and IIMs around 5000. And still many professors in AFMC are PhDs....The hospitals are state of art and sought after by politicians, ministers, even IAS and allied services...
Read more about the Indian Armed Forces Medical Services anywhere you want

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Anonymous said...

Come on AMC doctors,fight for your right and get DACP implemented orelse this will be a forgotten story and a great loss--similar to the AVSC on promotions where our antedate and seniority was reduced in comparison to other branches.

Anonymous said...

DACP for AMC,its so heartening that MAJ NAVDEEPJI IS GOING TO UPDATE US SOON.He is the only source of light at the end of the tunnel, hope the parity with civilian doctors are restored.Jai Hind.

Anonymous said...

RANK Pay case hearing deferred till 15 Nov 2010. Govt planning for a new committee to look into the grievances of Armed Forces.Hope nonimplementation of DACP for AMC, also will be looked into.

Anonymous said...

Finally DACP will be implemented, just waiting for the ceremonial nod from PPOC.Thank you Maj Navdeepji for your support and informations. Pl see DACP FINAL FRONTIER on 14 Nov 2010, Sunday dhamaka:
http://www.indianmilitary.info/2010/11/dacp-final-frontier.html?showComment=1289712910708#comment-c5750004375731089439

Anonymous said...

Does the scope of the DACP include the veterinary doctors registered with Veterinary council of India as is mentioned in the gazette of India.

Anonymous said...

DACP:Still a mirage for Fauzi Doctors, even after the AFT Order on July 2011.So let it come first then Vets.No idea where's the stumbling block. Maj Navdeep for obvious reasons cant comment and so no info from anyside.

amit gandhi said...

Hi navdeep how are you and why have you gone underground ? any fresh news about DACP for AMC Doctors its being four years now and AMC is suffering boss i am a serving Lt Col with around 17 years of service but the road ahead is not very clear please through some light ! thanks Amit