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Many readers may not know, a new career progression system known as the Dynamic Assured Career Progression Scheme (DACP) has already been implemented for all Medical / Dental Doctors appointed under the Central Govt.
Under this scheme, following shall be the career progression structure for General Duty Doctors appointed under any Ministry / Department of the Central Govt :
On appointment : Pay Band-3 (Rs 15600-39100) with Grade Pay of Rs 5400 (equal to Lieutenant after the 6th CPC)
After 4 years of total service : Pay Band-3 with Grade Pay of Rs 6600 (equal to Major after the 6th CPC)
After 9 years of total service : Pay Band-3 with Grade Pay of Rs 7600 (equal to Lt Col after the 6th CPC)
After 13 years of total service : Pay Band-4 (Rs 37400-67000) with Grade Pay of Rs 8700 (equal to a full Colonel after 6th CPC)
After 20 years of total service : Pay Band-4 with Grade Pay of Rs 10000 (equal to Maj Gen after 6th CPC)
The following (believe your eyes – this is no joke) shall be the career progression for specialists under any Ministry / Department of the Central Govt :
On appointment : Pay Band-3 with Grade Pay of Rs 6600 (equal to Major after the 6th CPC)
After 2 years of total service : Pay Band-3 with Grade Pay of Rs 7600 (equal to Lt Col after the 6th CPC)
After 6 years of total service : Pay Band-4 with Grade Pay of Rs 8700 (equal to full Col after the 6th CPC)
After 13 years of total service : Pay Band-4 with Grade Pay of Rs 10000 (equal to Maj Gen after 6th CPC)
While this has already been implemented for all Ministries and Departments of the Central Govt, instructions regarding Army Medical Corps and Army Dental Corps have not yet been issued. There is no reason why this should not be implemented on a non-functional basis (pay progression without rank progression) in the AMC/ADC too since the DACP Govt of India letter in Para1 and Para 3 clearly states that it shall be extended to all Medical and Dental Doctors under the Central Govt not just in organised services but also including isolated posts. It is hoped that the office of DG AFMS would have taken note by now.
Readers desirous of having a first hand look at the said Govt of India letter (or those who do not believe their eyes) may do so by clicking here. (Courtesy : Ministry of Health & Family Welfare)
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Many readers may not know, a new career progression system known as the Dynamic Assured Career Progression Scheme (DACP) has already been implemented for all Medical / Dental Doctors appointed under the Central Govt.
Under this scheme, following shall be the career progression structure for General Duty Doctors appointed under any Ministry / Department of the Central Govt :
On appointment : Pay Band-3 (Rs 15600-39100) with Grade Pay of Rs 5400 (equal to Lieutenant after the 6th CPC)
After 4 years of total service : Pay Band-3 with Grade Pay of Rs 6600 (equal to Major after the 6th CPC)
After 9 years of total service : Pay Band-3 with Grade Pay of Rs 7600 (equal to Lt Col after the 6th CPC)
After 13 years of total service : Pay Band-4 (Rs 37400-67000) with Grade Pay of Rs 8700 (equal to a full Colonel after 6th CPC)
After 20 years of total service : Pay Band-4 with Grade Pay of Rs 10000 (equal to Maj Gen after 6th CPC)
The following (believe your eyes – this is no joke) shall be the career progression for specialists under any Ministry / Department of the Central Govt :
On appointment : Pay Band-3 with Grade Pay of Rs 6600 (equal to Major after the 6th CPC)
After 2 years of total service : Pay Band-3 with Grade Pay of Rs 7600 (equal to Lt Col after the 6th CPC)
After 6 years of total service : Pay Band-4 with Grade Pay of Rs 8700 (equal to full Col after the 6th CPC)
After 13 years of total service : Pay Band-4 with Grade Pay of Rs 10000 (equal to Maj Gen after 6th CPC)
While this has already been implemented for all Ministries and Departments of the Central Govt, instructions regarding Army Medical Corps and Army Dental Corps have not yet been issued. There is no reason why this should not be implemented on a non-functional basis (pay progression without rank progression) in the AMC/ADC too since the DACP Govt of India letter in Para1 and Para 3 clearly states that it shall be extended to all Medical and Dental Doctors under the Central Govt not just in organised services but also including isolated posts. It is hoped that the office of DG AFMS would have taken note by now.
Readers desirous of having a first hand look at the said Govt of India letter (or those who do not believe their eyes) may do so by clicking here. (Courtesy : Ministry of Health & Family Welfare)
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43 comments:
DACP for AMC/ADC will have teething problems. On average it takes 8 yrs for a doc to finish his MD/MS in army. As per DACP, he will draw less pay than a GDMO after assuming his specialist apointment. Will he have to start again in hios pay and allowances. That is not possible. But as per DACP if implimented in army, it will benefit GDMO's much more and as such they are hardly working and will now stop working altogether. DACP will have to be modefied to give edge to specialist doctors in services as well, if ever it comes for service doctors as well .
It can be implemented with ease provided the AMC gets over its hangup with whats on the shoulder. If its working in AIIMS/CHS etc professional worth always will carry weight. After all after AVSC-II there is no dearth of Sr Adv/ consultants who are still carrying out the same work as they were... in fact a number of good specialists who lose out to the administrators in promotions will be motivated that all is not lost.
re to anonymous: DACP FOR DOCS. the pay as given in mohfw order for spl doctors is for spls directly rect as specialists in spl cadre or in teaching cadre. most doctors in army are rect as GDMOS. directly rect spl are given appropriate ante date seniority.let us not get into arguments about who is working and who is not. all army officers should seek parity with civilian / ips cadre and NOT pull down each other
Well, what about the medical cadres in CPMF's? The apex grade for them is to be reached in 13 years? That sounds a bit surprising!
I think it's too early to rejoice. Let the final print come. Always a possibility by virtue of serving with Armed forces the rules may change. Any way good luck to AMC/ADC.
I agree with anonymous at 7;42 PM. Let us not pull each other down. I only hope that the service HQs do not shoot this proposal down due to some imagined disparity this may create between doctors and other officers in the armed forces.
and thats a wish!! DGAFMS office seems to not have any clue on this matter as usual. why does the fauj move so slowly when it comes to its own personnel and their welfare?
@544pm anonymous ,as if you are the only person working or only specialists are the only docs who work.WITH advent of ECHS what ever exposure or work load was there is also gone.AS THE AVERAGE AGE OF SERVICE PERSONAL IS ABOUT 30YEARS .WHAT IS THE PROFILE OF CASES SPECIALISTS SEE.last but not least the is no separate cadre of specialists in AMC . REF AO/SAI.
@NAVADEEP, DACP FOR DOCTORS IN CHS/RAILWAYS IS BEING IMPLEMENTED WEF 2002 UPTO NFSG LEVEL. NOW IT IS EXTENDED UPTO SAG. ONLY ORDES HAVE BEEN ISSUED .NONE HAS BEEN PROMOTED TO SAG SO FAR .DOCTORS OF 1977 BATCH WHOSE DPC WAS HELD IN JAN 2007 ,NONE HAVE GOT PROMOTION ORDERS .
PROMOTION TO SAG AS PER DACP THERE IS A RIDER SHOULD HAVE RENDERED 7 YEARS SERVICE INGRADEPAY 8700 INCLUDING SERVICE IN 14300-18300.IN AMC COL SELECTION IS AT 24 YEARS ,AVERAGE ENTRY IS 24 YEARS OR 25YEARS . AT THE AGE 48 OR 49 ONE BECOMES COL (LEAVE THE PRESENT BATCHS) .49 +7 =56 YEARS . SERVICE LEFT IS A YEAR OR TWO FOR RETIREMENT. COL SELECTION SHOULD BE BROUGHT DOWN TO 18 OR 20 YEARS .
RECRUITMENT TO THE POST OF SPECIALIST IN GRADE PAY 6600 , THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT IS POST GRADUATION AND 3 YEARS EXPERIENCE .
where do our fresh specialist stand. where do anonymous at5.44pm stand .
anon @ 9.42
dont know your source, but the proposal has already reached the MOD from office of DGAFMS.
simple solution. All AMC doctors of 9 yrs of service to put ROG. Otherwise god save you all!
The matter should be brought to the attention of DGAFMS immediately.Before AVS I only doctors were getting promoted to LT Col on time scale.After AVS I all fficers started getting promoted to Lt Col.As a result the Lt Col rank got diluted and the number of Lt Col has increased.This is one of the objection raised by Govt to implement PB 4 for Lt Col.As a result doctors are suffering.It is only DGAFMS who can take up the issue with MOD.
DEAR NAVDEEP,
WHAT IS THE POSITION OF THE CASE FOR BRINGING LT COL OF OTHER ARMS AND SERVICES TO PB-4? ANY IDEA. CAN WE EXPECT TO SEE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL?
prince
Dear sir
what is latest update on moving LT Col to PB4. Any date of announcement or it is a dead issue
to all who question issue of parity between AMC officers and the rest: i would like to submit that there was no parity between them ever. a doctor was comm as a capt when others joined as 2nd lt. the 2nd lt would become a col in 16-18 years whereas the poor AMC capt toiled for almost 26 years to be considered for promotion to col.it is to tide over such stagnation in medical services that DACP has been approved for docs. i sincerely hope we dont get bogged down by non issues and AMC is given its due else service in AMC would become inferior to other all india med services.
PS- reg DACP to spl docs one has to remember that to be eligible for direct spl appt in med college one has to do 3yrs post grad then nos of yrs as resident hence faster prom compared to GDMOS. its not applicable for AMC their being no separate SPL cadre. direct spl would get ante date seniority as always.
Is it possible for DEFENCE/Army to ignore the Govt order which encompasses all Central Govt Doctors. Previously also regarding DP Allces same confusion was there in 2004, which ultimately got sorted in favour of AMC Doctors, as they were indeed considered at par with all central Govt doctors, be it NPA calculation or DP calcuation.
Dear Sir,
Its all leadership failure,confusion will be always there,because there is problem of parity,seniority promotions and grade.
Army need not publish a seperate order rather it should follow the gazzette notification and whatever extra they can.
I stongly feel that if our generals,minister and seniors cant lookafter thier soldiers and veterans then they have no business to be in chair,please resign.
regards
manjushashok puranik
dear army doctors,just compare your salary with railway doctors and any CGHS doctors,everybody has pocketed arears and getting salary in new pay band where as doctors in armed forces are not treated with equality.
manjushaashokpuranik
PB4 thru, source NDTV 24X7 8PM news. Hopefully MOD will accept DACP for AMC as well, as the order is all encompassing for all Central Govt Doctors.
Forget about the DACP, guys, this pay commn will rob you of your entitlement also. Just visited the CDA(O) and saw that for pay fixation on 1.1.2006, 1.86 times of Basic Pay and Rank Pay ONLY (plus 25% of NPA) in the old scale is being considered So you straightaway lose the 86% DA on the NPA you were getting on that day. Something similar happened after the fifth pay comm and took many years to resolve
may i request DGAFMS OFFICE to immidiettly send a memo for new pay calculation based on CGHS scale and govt gazzitte notification.
manjushaashokpuranik
Regarding implementation of DACP for Armed Forces Doctors, how can one approach DGAFMS office, to know about the latest progress or for that matter MOD?Is there any Legal option available? Maj Navdeep, who himself is practising Law, will be of any help?
DACP unlike ACP involves upgradation in rank and not mererly upgradation in pay scales.AMC should insist for necessary upgradation in rank also.they should not accept it in a diluted ACP form. acceptance in ACP format without change of ranks would be harmful to the cadre in the long run in this very rank conscious armed forces. you will loose out whenever OROP is introduced or whenever some benefits or sops are introduced as per rank. also you will be on a firmer ground in the next pay commission.people who grudge doctors their pay should be reminded that to serve in armed forces even qualified nurses are granted pay of officers. AMC should atleast be given what their civil brethern get. old timers would remember how AMC doctors were denied benefits of NPA in pension fixaton (calculation of minimum pension in a given rank) when the same was given to others.people who matter at DGAFMS OFFICE please note the ministry of health letter is very clear it is DACP and not ACP. do NOT accept ACP in a hurry insist on DACP.
PS: NAVDEEP sir you have stated that in AMC it should be accepted in ACP form may i ask you why. i think you have access to higher powers. request you to forward my veiws to them.(olddoc)
@All please mail
Office of the DGAFMS
ARMED FORCES MEDICAL SERVICES
Ministry of Defence
M Block,
New Delhi-110001
E-Mail : dgafms@ndf.vsnl.net.in
CHARTER OF DUTIES : DG-1B(I)
POLICY MATTERS
*Policy matters of AMC officers such as issue/revision/amendment to Army instructions and issue of Govt letters. Issue of admn instructions for implementation of Govt orders.
*Processing of cases for secondment from one service to other and issue of necessary orders.
*Provision of medical officers for various para military organizations and other organizations in accordance with the additional authorization maintained for the purpose.
*Compilation and submission of required reports and returns to the Coord section, Addl DGAFMS and the DGAFMS.
*Compilation of Army List.
suno suno thakur ne hizro ki fauz banayi hai,ye log kya kar liye aur kya karenge.
Any updates on DACP for the AMC/ADC? Anyone has any idea if the office of DGAFMS doing anything in this regard or the matter is dead.
Any NEWS regarding DACP for AMC Doctors? Any NEWS regrading PB4 Notification? Maj Navdeep do you have any info? If yes then pl enlighten us. Thanks
Navdeep for our info, will you please post the diluted ACP as suggested by you, and as commented upon in the Chat dt 11 Jan 09.
can anyone tell me when this DACP going to implement in AMC
DACP for AMC/ADC will not cause teething problems,as our seniours(non AMC ) crying foy pay commission anomalies with our allied services counterpart,here thay only craete problem for AMC,10 yrs back non AMC officer get a rank of maj of 11 yrs of service and poor AMC officer of 5 yrs,they amended for our benefit and introduced AVS making MAJ of 6 yrs of sevice a difference of 5 yrs and AMC officer whose average age of joining army is 29 yrs becoming major in 5 yrs( including inturnship or lt ranf of 1 yrs ) that benefit of 1 yrs only.means doing MBBS cost a bebefit of 1 yrs antedate only,however at everypost in glacier 1 doc is there.poor AMC wale got no sahayk no gadi throughout there life.that why DACP will boost the morale of AMC docs at last we are getting only pay benefit fm army after doing 24 hrs duty.look at poor specilist loke surgery,anaesthesia,physicians,gynaecologist they do 24 hrs duty 24x 7 while non AMC officer enjoing good promotion 24x7 sahayk,24x7 gadi nothing to do expept some signature and passing msg of seniournow only this DACP which already implemented of all central gov doc should be implemented in AMC as soon as possibe or iam going to court
Dacp should be implemented immediately otherwise there is hidden discontentment brewing in AMC offrs not good for organization and people getting ready to go to court
Maj Navdeep,
u guys have been talking of DACP for AMC, and 48 TS AMC gp capts havent got their pay arrears so far!(dont know bout Army and Navy.) Could some one guide them?
any news about DACP implementation in AMC
letter approved by air force about dacp
This is the only branch which has only direct entry officers with MBBS / BDS as minimum qualification. There is no departmental commission scheme to Medical / Dental branch. Thus, stagnation in a rank and supersession of otherwise qualified professionals is expected to be high.
(e) The Armed Forces Medical Officers are second to none in terms of specialization. They are comparable to the best in any other government service. These officers, therefore, need best method of attraction and retention.
(f) In the profession of Medicine, older the professional, better is the levels of confidence both for the provider and user. In other words, a Doctor becomes more useful as he/she gets older because of experience. Thus, unlike Combat branches, where exit of the superseded is preferred, to keep the Combat force younger in age profile, in the Medical profession “Old could be considered as Gold”. So to retain the best, ACP may be considered necessary. The 6th CPC in para 6.2.4 of its report, other than Scientists, has recommended extension in age of retirement by two years only for Medical Specialists.
(g) The denial of ACP to Armed Forces medical officers will lower the motivation for young doctors to join Armed Forces vis-à-vis other government departments.
(h) The denial of dynamic ACP also has wider implication as brought out in para 11-13 of the SOC.
7. Having examined the need to grant ACP to Doctors of AFMS cadre, its implication on the other branches merits consideration.
(a) Dynamic ACP for Doctors was first recommended by 5th CPC. The extracts from the recommendations of 5th CPC vide para 52.15. Taking guidance from this recommendation, 6th CPC too in its report has recommended grant of ACP to Doctors upto SAG Scale vide3 para 3.6.7. A significant aspect of both these reports (5th & 6th CPC), is that it not only authorises financial upgradation but also promotion. This can upset the command and control structure at various formation levels. Hence, Dynamic ACP as recommended by 5th or 6th CPC in its recommended form may not be implementable in Armed Forces.
(b) An alternate option which would ensure financial benefit to AFMS doctors yet not disturbing the present command and control structure would be to authorise only financial upgradation and not authorise any promotion to officers unless otherwise due in normal course. Such an action will ensure the following.
(i) Grant of SAG to doctors will not matter much financially as they would anyway be in PB-4 by that time. The increase will be in grade pay to Rs 10,000/- while holding the rank of Wg Cdr / Gp Capt/ Air Cmde & equivalent.
(ii) The other benefit will be in enhancing the class of Travel both on Duty and LTC.
(iii) In the existing scenario also, Doctors are drawing higher rates of pay and allowances than those superior in rank in other branches. In view of the same, no anomaly is forseen by implementing the concept of financial upgradation only through ACP in Armed forces for Doctors of AFMS cadre.
8. The grant of pay promotion to Medical Officers is being sought to ensure parity with civil doctors.
9. In view of the foregoing, only financial upgradation through Dynamic ACP is recommended for Armed Forces Medical Officers.
10. The issue may please be taken up by your office for decision in PPOC and COSC so as to ensure a joint service response on the subject. The IAF does not propose to individually respond to the input sought by MoD.
11. This has the approval of CAS.
any news about DACP in AMC
MoD has no option but to implement DACP in AMC/ADC. How can MoD ignore MoHFW Office Memorandum dt 29 Oct 2008 regarding extension of DACP scheme in respect of Medical/Dental doctors under their control. There will be lot of legal hassles apart from demotivation in the ranks of Doctors if DACP scheme not immediately implemented by the Govt. Office of DGAFMS should take immediate step to seek AFMS Doctors in parity with CGHS counterparts otherwise service in AMC would become inferior to other All India Med Services. In AMC, Promotion Board from Lt Col to Col is still being held at 22 years of service as Captain. In comparison, in Other Arms and Services, it is being held at 14-16 years of commissioned service. Let the Doctors of AMC/ADC be compensated by DACP scheme.MoD should not delay the implementation of DACP scheme in AMC/ADC.
Even the Civilian Doctors under DGAFMS Cadre have been given DACP,only Doctors that are left out are Defence Doctors, be it AMC, ADC or RVC.
Maj Navdeep must write something sympathetic, atleast.Even a consolation article from Maj Navdeep is comforting.
DEAR MAJ NAVDEEP , WHY ARE YOU NOT UPDATING US ALL ON DACP FOR AMC/ADC/RVC. IT IS VERY DISHEARTING, ATLEAST LET US KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT IT. HAS ANYONE FROM THESE SERVICES GONE TO COURT ON THIS MATTER ?
Please see the latest on conveyance allces for RAilways Doctors. It seems like DACP, this will also remain an illusion for Armed Forces Doctots.
http://www.indianrailways.gov.in/DEPTTS/finance/Fin-estb-cir/rbe_135.PDF
Bye
Any update on DACP for AMC, Nonfunctional Financial upgradation for Armed Forces and Lowering of service for Col TS?
Maj Navdeep your article on REMOVAL OF LMC BAN FOR PROMOTION, Continuation of pay even on SIX MONTHLY HOSPITAL ADMISSION are excellent and really really very very helpful, so is the article on 3 monthly medicine for ECHS.
Please write something about the persons in AMC also, some info on DACP or Col TS, or implementation of Nonfunctional Financial Upgradation for Defence.
I know you are very very busy but still we beleive your statement only, even if its an insignificant one.
Any update on DACP for AMC? Anybody...
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