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Thursday, October 30, 2008

3 questions and 3 answers….

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Before I begin with this post, I have something to say. There have been comments on this blog that only sixth pay commission issues should be focussed on.

While pay commission / status / equivalence issues are an integral part and parcel of this blog, may I also remind that my thrust has always been on spreading well rounded knowledge based on facts & documents as also initiating debate on important military (non-operational) issues. This blog deals not just with the PayCom but also with military benefits which shall remain central to its theme. Of course being a burning issue, PayCom matters will be provided primacy.

Now with the post. I’ve received many queries and mails on three pertinent issues. While I try my best to reply to individual mails, separate replies sometimes become difficult because of professional commitments. Hence, here are your answers :-)


1. No, toll tax exemption is not available to retired personnel. For more read this post and this one too.

2. Yes, retired personnel in receipt of disability pension are entitled to Income Tax exemption on the entire amount of pension and not just the disability element. For details read this and this.

3. No, the notification for defence pensioners has not yet been issued.


Thank You



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42 comments:

Anonymous said...

@navdeep sir..

with u

Anonymous said...

Dear Maj Navdeep,

I do agree that ur site is not addressing only the sixth pay commission and its anomalies.

Ur efforts in bringing out so many issues and claryfying many of the myths will always be praiseworthy.

However I would like to request u to kindly provide us the update on the progress of removing the anomalies by GOM. A large section of officers are interested in it.

with u always. Thanks

Anonymous said...

What is the status of the Supreme Court judgement regarding payment of enhanced pension to major generals who retired prior to 1.1.1996. the payment was to be made within three months with 10% interest.Is the Govt doing something about it?

Anonymous said...

@navadeep,
notification has not been issued .BUT Resolution has been kept in MOD WEB SITE.

suresh said...

Maj Navdeep - I again make use of this forum to compliment you - you are doing an absolutely amazing job with your treasure chest of information on administrative issues. I am sure thousands of faujis will benefit financially from the info posted and thus sing your praises - I hope your assistance to the armed forces community to hold their head high with izzat is recognized by the powers that be - for the Armed Forces remain the last frontier to retain the independence of our wonderful nation. Unfortunately our countrymen led by some selfish and misguided people in the corridors of power are hell bent on wrecking havoc on the fine institution that the armed forces have grown to be - Thanks again and JAI HIND

Anonymous said...

Forget it friends.
Its a great conspiracy against Forces.
Watch IBN7.Another tehelka.
Now its turn of a Maj Gen from Ord.
Politician,Babus,Media all are hand in glove to malign your integrity.
Its a well planned operation and make you feel isolated.
ITS A CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE COUNTRY.

Anonymous said...

anony@2.20pm
Pay panel: Three Member Committee yet to decide Lt Colonel pay


The three-member ministerial committee to look into grievances of the Armed Forces met for a round of discussions on Wednesday afternoon, but the matter remained inconclusive even as the deadline for a final report on the issue is approaching fast.

Sources said several permutations and combinations are being worked out, but more meetings would be required before a final decision can be taken on the matter. The committee, headed by External Affairs Minister Mr. Pranab Mukherjee, met on Wednesday even as hectic rounds of consultations are on with the Armed Forces and other services.

The committee, set up by the Prime Minister, was given a deadline to prepare a final report for the Cabinet by the end of this month. The last round of consultations with the armed forces took place on Monday when the Chairman Chiefs of Staff Committee, Admiral Sureesh Mehta met the ministers.

While the committee is leant to have agreed to the demand for restoring the pension given to Personnel Below Officers Rank (PBOR), discussions were on to resolve the other three issues put forward by the Armed Forces.

On the demand of moving Lt Gen and equivalent officers to the HAG plus pay band, solutions being worked out included a further categorisation of the officers to accommodate a proportion of them in the highest pay band.

The most contentious issue remains the demand to move Lieutenant Colonel level officers to Pay Band 4 in order to give them parity with their civilian counterparts. While the Armed Forces have dug in tight with the demand of moving Lieutenant Colonels and their equivalents be placed in Pay Band 4 (Rs 37,400-67,000) instead of the present Pay Band 3 (Rs 15,600-39,100), paramilitary forces and the MEA are insisting that changes will result in administrative problems.

A solution under discussion is the creation of a new category in the Pay Band 4 to accommodate Lt Cols and give them parity with civilian counterparts without altering the monetary edge of non-defence services officers.(Lt Cols Watch out for this unethical proposal)

Source: The Indian Express (30-10-08)

unothis said...

anomalie explained here http://docs.google.com/Presentation?id=dfmnnwt8_1dpmrrngj

Anonymous said...

what about the Min of Fin OM dated 14/10/2008 ordering Pension Disbursing banks to complete payments of pension by 30/11/08 including for post 2006 pensioners?

It orders that MoD and Min of Railways as well as Dept dealing with All India Services to issue separate orders.

Now will the MoD disobey that and state that the Chiefs are to blame? Or will the CoS quote the delay as another instance of "disobedience"?

Watch this and other spaces - Pragmatic Euphony excluded!!!

* said...

Rank pay again merged with basic pay till Lt Col.

Grade Pay lower for all except Lt (Lieutenant).

Lt Col not in PB4 whereas his revised basic takes them to PB4
Since Rank Pay abolished, How can armed forces relate Status with Rank.

Now only criteria for equivalence in status can be no of years of service.

Hence Grade Pay and Pay Band should be decided on no of Years of service.

Deciding Grade Pay based on Rank will be against the recommendations of the pay Commission and which have been accepted by the Govt.

Granting Grade Pay as per Rank will result in the anomalies which will never be settled as Promotions in Armed forces are totally different than IAS.

So to have similar policy of Pay Bands and Grade Pay, the equivalence should be based on no of yrs of service.

Any cadre review in either Forces or Other services will again result in anomalies. Hence no of Yrs of service is the only criteria left for equivalence.

Military Service Pay is not counted towards increments and does not form part of basic pay.

The commission has given it as additional elment and hence should not be used to compare total pay as also it does not count towards status and rightly so.

Also no arrears for Military service Pay as this is new element as told by 6CPC.

This will also save the armed forces to continue with age old time tested Rank structure without affecting their status with respect to others.

** said...

good show @*

wonderful and all clear


just tricks

even a blind man can see through this deception

how didi they expect us to lump it?

* said...

Latest ppt with summary and Recommendations at
http://docs.google.com/Presentation?id=dfmnnwt8_37g72q67fm

Anonymous said...

Maj Navdeep You are trying to become champion of millitary cause.Have you seen two news inyesterday in IBN7 one pertaining to one Maj Gen involved in purchasing of generatig set and cable.second news aboutLT COL involved in Malegaon blast.It isabression in ethos of ARMY or lust for money which has been so clearly evident in 6pay episode .

Anonymous said...

Dear All,

This is regarding The Mjors grade Pay.

While for his new pay fixation / ditermination, his pay and rank pay is being taken account, the same is not being done to to ditermine hus grade pay.

Major was in his prerevised pay scale of 11600 - 325 -14850. This was basic pay and the rank pay was part of basic pay. That means actually this scale was 12800 -325 -16500. That is the prerevised pay scale of S-21. Major was actaully in S-21. All Prerevise S-21 have been given a grade of 7600 as per the Gazette and CCS rules.

Why Major is in Grade 6600?? Prerevised S-21 was 12000 - 375 - 16500. Even if one applies even the end of the Scale logic, Maj's scale was within S-21.

Why this discrimination and downgradation alt all??

Well it is a case fit for intervantion of the Courts if MoD does not agree. Service HQ or Mo has no right to "Didcriminate" on the principles for fixation of the Grade pay, perticlarly when Grade Pay has now been ruled to the diterminant of Status.

MoD is in deep trouble.... I must say.

Anonymous said...

@annony..at 9:34

BE READY FOR MORE SUCH THINGS..after all gp of ias has already proposed lowering of selection criteria..SO NOW FUTURE IS VERY BRIGHT...
BE PREPARED...

U PEOPLE ONLY SAY EQUAL JOB EQUAL PAY...SO EQUAL OUTPUT..

SO BETTER DONT GIVE MORAL LECTURES AND DONT QUOTE ETHOS...THEY HAVE BEEN DUMPED

Anonymous said...

anyways..cool...nothing is proved as such so p wait..if they ve done wrong armed forces will still punish them..but what about others?

Anonymous said...

That is precisely the reaosn why MoD have chnaged or altered the definition of the "Rank Pay" in the Current SAI..

Samajhe Fauzi....

I think you will have to go to the Courts to set it right....It effects individuals and his status...It is outright "Discrimination.."

It appears the sole job of MoD is to let you all down every where and at each and every step...

Anonymous said...

@annony...

SAMJH GAYE BADE BABUJI...

Raj said...

Dear sir, Do u have any information about the notification for air travel for TD/LTC for officers

Anonymous said...

@Raj

It's already there on the blog.

rajiv said...

DEAR Maj Navdeep..
the pay of offrs commissioned in dec 99 is rs 23810 and offr commissioned in may 2000 is rs 19160 the diff is of rs 4650 as on 1st jan 2000. what can be done to remove this anomoly?

Anonymous said...

Dear Maj Navdeep,

Just to tell you that pension arrears have been credited into many bank accounts of retired armed forces pensioners, including post 2006, by the Pension Disbursing Banks.

Now, how did they do that?

Anonymous said...

Hey anonymous,
One Maj Gen and one Lt Col cannot be used to paint all Armed Forces with your "lust for money in 6 CPC' brush.

Look at the number of IAS, IPS, PWD, RTO, et al raided by the different Lok Ayuktas! What was that - assets disproportionate to known sources of income? Something more than even 6 CPC gave them??

Be reasonable - even you have black sheep wherever you are employed!!! That does not mean the rest of you are also black sheep.

B P SINGH said...

CPOs/CPMF STRENGTH TO GO UP
What Defence services got after great deal of struggle (AVS I&II) is coming on platter to CPOs.Govt has taken decision to increase the strength of CPOs by Four lakhs and files have already started moving.For further details please check www.indiancpmf.blogspot.com

pawan said...

Dear Maj Navdeep,
What will be the grade pay of Col (TS)?

Anonymous said...

Grade pay for col(TS) is as entitled for Lt Col. i.e as of now 7600.

pawan said...

dear *
the presentation mentioned by you lists Col pay (15100+2000)*1.86 = 40890 which is incorrect. Please comment

Anonymous said...

@ comdt bp singh ji...

aap log bade aadmi hain..govt to aapki sunegi hi...

CHALO MEINE AAPKI TARIF KAR DI...

AN OFFR OF THE STATUS OF LT COL WRITING "GETTING ON PLATTER"..WHAT R U TRYING TO SAY...

COME OUT OF UR INFERIORITY COMPLEX MR I REPEAT MR BP SINGH..

WITH UR EXPANSION V R HAPPY NOW DURING PEACE TIME V WILL REALLY BE AT PEACE...GOOD GOOD..GO A HEAD..RAISE UR STR FURTHER...

Anonymous said...

Why is any one not talking about arrears of MSP. each offr is loosing more than Rs 2 lakh (6000 for 32 months plus DA) and each PBOR more than 64000 (2000 for 32 months plus DA)?
why this is not one of the issues?

Anonymous said...

If MSP is new for army (not exactly new as rank pay was already there) then for civilian officers grade pay is absolutely new? How are they getting the arrears?

Anonymous said...

One thing is sure that a new relationship between political leadership and military leadership would be drawn irrespective of whether lt cols moves in to pb4 or not.

It is beginning of a new era. We are likely to see more number of armed forces officers being drawn in decision making of MOD. This the beginning of end of civilian influence on military leadership.

The stand taken by armed forces chiefs are going to pay large dividends in near future to all armed forces personnel. So be optimistic and dont loose the hope. Better days are ahead.

Time will not be salvation to those who have tried to lower down the status of armed forces.

Anonymous said...

hi anonymous
I agree with you that every org has black sheep,than do not say services are only holy cow.Face the fact that we all come from same society and our intrigity is same

Anonymous said...

Hey anonymous tail end charlie,

Armed Forces are NOT HOLY COWS. They are Indian citizens who have decided to devote some part of their lives in the DIRECT service of the nation.

As for integrity - there are limited opportunities for diverging because of the checks and balances in the system - audits, audits by CDA and even CGDA and finally the C & AG. But there are some who innovate and find the little holes in the rules and try to make money. What you need to appreciate that detection, trial and punishment in the Armed Forces is swift and merciless. No adjournments, no lack fo will to prosecute even a Maj Gen. Show me one Joint Secy or ADGP who has been prosecuted for misappropriation in the last 5 years.
Thanks for letting me have the last word.

Ajith said...

"1 QUESTION AND MANY ANSWERS..."

Though not directly related to this particular post of Maj Navdeep, it has lot of relevance to the issue currently in focus.
Lot of views and opinions mostly motivated and by vested interests have been posted in the public domain. Just go through this link to know what the Indian Public feel about pay and perquisites for armed forces.
http://india.gov.in/govt/question_report_entire.php?qid=23&cat=0&group=I&grptype=I&rpttype=Q

Anonymous said...

Here's the Warrant of Precedence of 1979; (Sorry Saikat, I was late in reading your peice)
PRESIDENT’S SECRETARIAT
New Delhi, the 26th July, 1979
No.33-Pres/79 -In supersession of all previous notifications issued on the subject, the following
Table, with respect to the rank and precedence of the persons named therein which has been
approved by the President, is published for general information: -
1. President
2. Vice-President
3. Prime Minister
4. Governors of States within their respective States
5. Former Presidents
5A. Deputy Prime Minister
6. Chief Justice of India
Speaker of Lok Sabha
7. Cabinet Ministers of the Union.
Chief Ministers of States within their respective States
Deputy Chairman, Planning Commission
􀂐 Former Prime Ministers
Leaders of Opposition in Rajya Sabha and Lok Sabha
7A. 􀀾 Holders of Bharat Ratna decoration
8. Ambassadors Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary and High Commissioners of Commonwealth
countries accredited to India
Chief Ministers of States outside their respective States
Governors of States outside their respective States)
9. Judges of Supreme Court
9A 􀂿 Chairperson, Union Public Service Commission
􀀴 Chief Election Commissioner
􀀴 Comptroller & Auditor General of India
10. Deputy Chairman, Rajya Sabha
Deputy Chief Ministers of States
Deputy Speaker, Lok Sabha
Members of the Planning Commission
Ministers of State of the Union 􀂙{and any other Minister in the Ministry of
Defence for defence matters}.
_________________________________________________________________________________
􀂐 Added vide Amendment notification No.16-Pres/92 dated 31st Jan'1992 {12/17/90-Public}
􀀾 Added vide Amendment notification No.48-Pres/81 dated 3rd Aug'1981 {12/1/81-Public}
􀀴 Added vide Amendment notification No.147-Pres/94 dated 8th Sep'1994 {12/5/93-Public}
􀂙 Added vide Amendment notification No.63-Pres/91 dated 19th April 1991
􀂿 Added vide Amendment notification No. 160-Pres/2007 dated 13th October, 2007 {12/1/2006-Public}
Page 2 of 5
11. Attorney General of India.
Cabinet Secretary.
Lieutenant Governors within their respective Union Territories
12. Chiefs of Staff holding the rank of full General or equivalent rank.
13. Envoys Extraordinary and Ministers Plenipotentiary accredited to India.
14. Chairmen and Speakers of State Legislatures within their respective States.
Chief Justices of High Courts within their respective jurisdictions
15. Cabinet Ministers in States within their respective States
Chief Ministers of Union Territories and Chief Executive Councillor, Delhi within their
respective Union Territories
Deputy Ministers of the Union.
16. Officiating Chiefs of Staff holding the rank of Lieutenant General or equivalent rank.
17. 􀀸 Chairman, Central Administrative Tribunal.
Chairman, Minorities Commission.
􀂿 Chairperson, National Commission for Scheduled Castes
􀂿 Chairperson, National Commission for Scheduled Tribes
Chief Justices of High Courts outside their respective jurisdictions.
Puisne Judges of High Courts within their respective jurisdictions.
18. Cabinet Ministers in States outside their respective States
Chairmen and Speakers of State Legislatures outside their respective States.
Chairman, Monopolies and Restrictive Trade Practices Commission.
Deputy Chairman and Deputy Speakers of State Legislatures within their respective States.
Legislatures within their respective States.
Ministers of State in States within their respective States.
Ministers of Union Territories and Executive Councilors, Delhi, within their respective Union
Territories.
Speakers of Legislative Assemblies in Union Territories and Chairman of Delhi Metropolitan
Council within their respective Union Territories.
19. Chief Commissioners of Union Territories not having Councils of Ministers, within their
respective Union Territories.
Deputy Ministers in States within their respective States.
Deputy Speakers of Legislative Assemblies in Union Territories and Deputy Chairman of
metropolitan Council Delhi, within their respective Union Territories.
20. Deputy Chairmen and Deputy Speakers of State Legislatures, outside their respective states.
Ministers of State in States outside their respective States.
Puisne Judges of High Courts outside their respective jurisdictions.
21. Members of Parliament.
22. Deputy Ministers in State outside their respective States.
_________________________________________________________________________________
􀀸 Added vide Amendment notification No.64-Pres/89 dated 17th July 1989 {12/3/88-Public}
􀂿 Substituted vide Amendment notification No. 160-Pres/2007 dated 13th October, 2007 {12/1/2006-
Public}
Page 3 of 5
23. Army Commanders/ Vice-Chief of the Army Staff or equivalent in other services
Chief Secretaries to State Governments within their respective States.
Commissioner for Linguistic Minorities.
Commissioner for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes.
Members, Minorities Commission.
􀂿 Members, National Commission for Scheduled Castes
􀂿 Members, National Commission for Scheduled Tribes
Officers of the rank of full General or equivalent rank.
Secretaries to the Government of India (including officers holding this office ex-officio).
Secretary, Minorities Commission.
Secretary, Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes Commission.
Secretary to the President.
Secretary to the Prime Minister.
Secretary, Rajya Sabha/Lok Sabha
Solicitor General.
􀃔Vice-Chairman, Central Administrative Tribunal.
24. Officers of the rank of Lieutenant General or equivalent rank.
25. Additional Secretaries to the Government of India.
Additional Solicitor General
Advocate Generals of States.
Chairman, Tariff Commission
Charge d’ Affairs and Acting High Commissioners a pied and ad interim
Chief Ministers of Union Territories and Chief Executive Councillor, Delhi, outside their
respective Union Territories.
Chief Secretaries of State Governments outside their respective States.
Deputy Comptroller and Auditor General
Deputy Speakers of Legislative Assemblies in Union Territories and Deputy Chairman,
Delhi Metropolitan Council, outside their respective Union Territories.
Director, Central Bureau of Investigation
Director General, Border Security Force.
Director General, Central Reserve Police.
Director, Intelligence Bureau
Lieutenant Governors outside their respective Union Territories.
􀃔Members, Central Administrative Tribunal.
Members, Monopolies and Restrictive Trade Practices Commission
Members, Union Public Service Commission
Ministers of Union Territories and Executive Councillors, Delhi, outside their respective
Union Territories.
Principal Staff Officers of the Armed Forces of the rank of major General or equivalent rank
Speakers of Legislative Assemblies in Union Territories and Chairman of Delhi, Metropolitan
Council, outside their respective Union Territories
26. Joint Secretaries to the Government of India and officers of equivalent rank.
Officers of the rank of Major-General or equivalent rank
_________________________________________________________________________________
􀃔 Added vide Amendment notification No.64-Pres/89 dated 17th July 1989 {12/3/88-Public}
􀂿 Substituted vide Amendment notification No. 160-Pres/2007 dated 13th October, 2007 {12/1/2006-
Public}
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NOTES
Note 1 The order in this Table of Precedence is meant for State and Ceremonial occasions and
has no application in the day-to-day business of Government.
Note 2 Persons in the Table of Precedence will take rank in order of the number of the
articles. The entries in the same article are arranged alphabetically. Those
included in the same article will take precedence inter se according to date of
entry into that article. However, where the dignitaries of different States and Union
Territories included in the same article are present at a function outside their States or
Union Territories and there is difficulty in ascertaining their dates of entry, they may
be assigned precedence inter se in the alphabetical order of the name of States and
Union Territories concerned after those whose precedence is determined according to
date of entry into that article.
Note 3 􀂎 In Article 7, former Prime Ministers will take precedence over the Cabinet
Ministers of the Union and the Leaders of Opposition in the Rajya Sabha and the
Lok Sabha. The Chief Ministers of States within their respective States will take
precedence over the Cabinet Ministers of the Union in official functions held in
the respective States.
Note 4 In Article 8: –
(a) Ambassadors Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary and High Commissioners of
Commonwealth countries accredited to India will en bloc rank above Governors of
States outside their respective States;
(b) Governors of States outside their respective States will en bloc rank above Chief
Ministers of States outside their respective States.
Note 5 The Ministry of External Affairs may assign appropriate ranks to foreign dignitaries
and Indian Ambassadors, High Commissioners and Ministers Plenipotentiary during
their visit to India.
Note 6 􀂔 Notwithstanding the procedure laid down in Note 2, the rank inter se and precedence
of the persons in Article 10 shall be assigned in the following order: -
(1) Deputy Chairman, Rajya Sabha.
(2) Deputy Speaker, Lok Sabha.
(3) Ministers of State of the Union and any other Minister in the Ministry of Defence
for defence matters.
(4) Deputy Chief Ministers of States.
(5) Members of Planning Commission.
However, the Deputy Chief Ministers of States outside their respective States will
always rank below all other dignitaries figuring in this article.
_________________________________________________________________________________
􀂎 Amendment vide notification No.16-Pres/92 dated 31st Jan'1992 {12/17/90-Public}
􀂔 Amendment vide notification No.63-Pres/91 dated 19th April 1991
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Note 7 The Chairmen of State Legislative Councils will rank above the Speakers of
Legislative Assemblies in cases where they were elected on the same date.
Note 8 When Members of Parliament are invited en bloc to major State functions, the
enclosures reserved for them should be next to the Chief Justice, Speaker of the Lok
Sabha, Ambassadors etc.
Note 9 Speakers of Legislative Assemblies in Union Territories and Chairman of the Delhi
Metropolitan Council, Delhi, will take precedence over Ministers and Executive
Councillors, included in the same article.
Note 10 In Article 23: -
(a) Secretaries in the Ministry of External Affairs other than the Foreign Secretary,
between themselves, will take precedence in the order of their seniority in Grade-I of
the Indian Foreign Service and both of them will take precedence after the Foreign
Secretary.
(b) Members of the Minorities Commission and the Scheduled Castes and Schedule
Tribes Commission will always take precedence over the Secretaries of these
Commissions;
(c) In official functions held at Delhi/New Delhi, Army Commanders/Vice Chief of the
Army Staff or equivalent in other Services will always rank after Secretaries to the
Government of India.
Note 11 In Article 25: -
(a) Additional Secretaries in the Ministry of External Affairs, among themselves, will
take precedence in the order of their seniority in Grade- II of the Indian Foreign
Service;
(b) Additional Solicitor General will take precedence above the Advocate General of
States;
(c) Lieutenant Governors will take precedence over the Chief Ministers and Chief
Executive Councillor, Delhi, and the latter will take precedence over Speakers of
Legislative Assemblies and Chairman, Metropolitan Council, Delhi;
(d) Deputy Speakers of Legislative Assemblies of Union Territories and Deputy
Chairman of Delhi Metropolitan Council will take precedence after Ministers of
Union Territories and Executive Councillors, Delhi.
Note 12 For the purpose of Article 26, the posts equivalent to the posts of Joint Secretaries to
the Government of India will be determined by the Ministry of Home Affairs.
Sd/-
(K.C. Madappa)
Secretary to the President
Note: The above Table includes all amendments made therein so far.

Anonymous said...

Dear Ajith...

Interesting...One may like to see the Comments from AFHQS which is like pouring venom...

IDAS comments are so lukewarm and remain short of vindictiveness...

It is but good to see the commenst from majority of the sources..

But what is the use when Madame Nath has such a prejudicial atitude and mind set and people in MoD are ready to let you down at every opportunity..

How can that organisation function which is being eaten by the termites from inside like ADAS, AFHCS, CCS anf helped by the IAS..

Since they did not find themselves capable enough they have invited CPOs and Foreign Services...

Are we really enviable...??? I sometimes wonder...

Kuchh baat kai ki hast mitati nahin hamari
Sadiyon raha hai dusshman sar jahan Hmara..

Anonymous said...

Please note that in the Table there are two notes that make it clear THAT IT IS ONLY FOR CEREMONIAL OCCASIONS AND HAS NO APPLICATION IN THE DAY-TO-DAY BUSINESS OF THE GOVT.

SO WHY IS THE CAB SECY SENIOR TO THE CHIEFS WHEN THEY DRAW THE SAME SALARY.

AND NOTE 2 IS MORE SPECIFIC - ARRANGED IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER and date of entry. So who is now senior CNS or Cab Secy??
Note 1 The order in this Table of Precedence is meant for State and Ceremonial occasions and
has no application in the day-to-day business of Government.
Note 2 Persons in the Table of Precedence will take rank in order of the number of the
articles. The entries in the same article are arranged alphabetically. Those
included in the same article will take precedence inter se according to date of
entry into that article. However, where the dignitaries of different States and Union
Territories included in the same article are present at a function outside their States or
Union Territories and there is difficulty in ascertaining their dates of entry, they may
be assigned precedence inter se in the alphabetical order of the name of States and
Union Territories concerned after those whose precedence is determined according to
date of entry into that article.

Anonymous said...

Dear Maj Navdeep,

I completely agree with you that this blog is much more than just the 6CPC issues.

I think the CPO's through the MHO has been exerting lot of pressure that the LT Col should not get into PB-IV cause it will cause lot of administrative problems.

My personal recommendation to solve this issue is make the Lt Col wear an Ashoka emblem with two stars which a comdt in CPO wear. This will solve lot of issue which has been a nagging problem.

Make the Col wear The same with three stars. This i'm sure well within the rights of the the Indian Army. If wearing an additional star on the shoulder the Comdt considers himself equivalent of a Full Col, this could be a solution probably....besides all the think tanks have already thought off. Then there will be no ego problems that a comdt has to take orders from a officer who is wearing less stars than himself.

Anonymous said...

Dear Maj Navdeep,

I completely agree with you that this blog is much more than just the 6CPC issues.

I think the CPO's through the MHO has been exerting lot of pressure that the LT Col should not get into PB-IV cause it will cause lot of administrative problems.

My personal recommendation to solve this issue is make the Lt Col wear an Ashoka emblem with two stars which a comdt in CPO wear. This will solve lot of issue which has been a nagging problem.

Make the Col wear The same with three stars. This i'm sure well within the rights of the the Indian Army. If wearing an additional star on the shoulder the Comdt considers himself equivalent of a Full Col, this could be a solution probably....besides all the think tanks have already thought off. Then there will be no ego problems that a comdt has to take orders from a officer who is wearing less stars than himself.

Anonymous said...

Can somebody please clarify the orders on war injury pension?

Anonymous said...

DEAR NAVDEEP,
GOD BLESS YOU,
IN VIEW OF THE EXISTING ANOMOLY BETWEEN LT. COL. VIS-A-VIS THEIR CIV COUNTER PARTS.SAY, IF IT IS NOT RESOLVED THAN WHY CAN'T YOU FIGHT THE CASE IN COURT OF LAW ON THEIR BEHALF.I AM SURE THE ENTIRE LOT WILL BE OBLIDGED TO CONTRIBUTE FOR THE FEE.
IT WILL AT LEAST GET THEM THE JUSTICE,JUSTIFYING THE SAYING "LAW ABOVE ALL".
REGARDS,

Anonymous said...

I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT RANK OF FULL COLONEL(T.S.) IS BEING REDUCED TO 20 YEARS,TO SET RIGHT THE ANAMOLIES OF 6TH PC.I THINK IF SENIOR OFFRS' GET OUT OF THE PB-1 MENTALITY(THOUGH THEY ARE IN PB-4)THIS WILL HELP THE ORG MUCH-MUCH BETTER.I'VE SEEN THE BLOOD BURNING FOR LOT OF COL ON INCLUSION OF LT.COL IN PB-4.
THE ARMY LOST BADLY IN 6TH P.C. JUST BECAUSE OF THIS MENTALITY WHICH WE ARE SILL WEARING AS USE TO BE IN BRITISHERS REGIME.