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Saturday, September 27, 2008

High Level Committee of three cabinet ministers to look into anomalies : new pay to be released before diwali

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The govt has decided to constitute a high level committee headed by the External Affairs Minister with the Raksha Mantri and Finance Minister as members to look into the anomalies of the 6th CPC. The decision was taken in consultation with the PM who is currently visiting the US. The following anomalies are expected to be resolved and notified by end of this month :-

(a) Upgradation of Lt Colonels to Pay Band-4

(b) Enhancement of Grade Pay of officers till the rank of Brigadier

(c) Improvement of Pensionary benefits of PBOR

(d) Placing Lt Generals in the newly created HAG+

Have faith, relax and enjoy !!!

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36 comments:

Anonymous said...

The best solution to the problem is to aproach Mrs Sonia Gandhi, request her to solve this minor problem by telling the PM to do the needful.

Venkat said...

Setting up of a committee of ministers has come as relief to the agitated defence personnel. I can only hope that outcome of the committee would be in favour of the armed forces.

However, it is not clear why such a committee is required in the first place. The issues raised by the armed forces are straight forward and well justified.

In fact there is a need to set up a committee to go into the details of workings of bureaucracy which has unceremoniously down graded the grades of personnel in uniform. It is a disgrace to the system which is handling the state of affairs of implementation of the pay commission report.

Let the good sense prevail and the decisions are taken by the committee in the best interest of the nation. This country needs to learn to treat their jawans in a better way. Do not leave the fate of the armed forces in the hands of a few narrow minded bureaucrats.

Anonymous said...

what n where was the FM when these major anomolies were being overlooked???This is a game plan of these Babooz to gain superiority over Armed forces personnals and also creating discrimination among the officers by keeping such a big gap of pay between the rank of Lt Cols and Cols. this is injustice n if not resolved is to be taken to the court for True justice.

Anonymous said...

Hopefully the nexus of politicians and bureaucrats are genuinely concerned to address the issue at hand logically by setting up the committee....and not placing the file in the famous long loop...not to enable natural justice till the next pay commission !!!

Anonymous said...

See this(courtesy shiv livefist)
Armed forces to get ad-hoc arrears asap

Keeping in view that the re-fixation of pay and allowances and consequent calculation of arrears may take some time, the government has decided to make ad-hoc payment of arrears for the current year to all ranks of the Services at the earliest. The proposal received the sanction of the President today. The amount so paid will be adjusted against the final computation of arrears on the revised pay scales. It may be recalled that 40% of the arrears are to be paid in cash in the year 2008-2009 and the remaining 60% in the year 2009-2010. The ad-hoc rates will be as follows:

Officers
Lt/Equivalent Rs 55,000
Capt./Equivalent Rs 65,000
Major/Equivalent Rs 70,000
Lt Col/Equivalent Rs 80,000
Col/Equivalent Rs 1,50,000
Brigadier/Equivalent Rs 1,60,000
Maj Gen/Equivalent Rs 1,75,000
Lt Gen/Equivalent Rs 2,25,000

PBORs
NC(E) Rs 20,000
Sepoy/Equivalent Rs 25,000
Nk/Equivalent Rs 30,000
Hav/Equivalent Rs 32,000
Nb Sub/Equivalent Rs 48,000
Sub/Equivalent Rs 48,000
Sub Major/Equivalent Rs 50,000

The above-mentioned amount would be admissible with reference to the substantive rank held as on 01.01.2006. Payment of the above ad-hoc amounts will be made only to those personnel who were in Service as on 01.01.2006 and continue to be in Service thereafter. The ranks held by the personnel as on 01.01.2006 would be reckoned for drawing the arrears. The concerned paying authorities may deduct income tax as per normal rules at the time of final computation of arrears payable during the current financial year

Anonymous said...

By now armed forces should learn that they can not fight with Bureaucrat. We had lost admiral against Bureaucrat. Hope this will not repaet agin. We will have to leave with democracy where you are remembered when thre is natural calamity or war. God bless Armed forces of this great country.

JBKE said...

It is clearly a delaying and demoralising tactics of the Govt. I support the Three Chiefs in thier "Saga" to get the justice for the Defence Forces Personnel. Let us not draw a "single day's" pay in the present form of SCPC.

Anonymous said...

hay bright diwali all of you. adhoc arrear sanctioned to def pers. see this http://india.gov.in/outerwin.htm?id=http://pib.nic.in/release/rel_min_search.asp?kwd=&pageno=1&minid=33

Anonymous said...

Keeping in view that the re-fixation of pay and allowances and consequent calculation of arrears may take some time, the government has decided to make ad-hoc payment of arrears for the current year to all ranks of the Services at the earliest. The proposal received the sanction of the President today. The amount so paid will be adjusted against the final computation of arrears on the revised pay scales. It may be recalled that 40% of the arrears are to be paid in cash in the year 2008-2009 and the remaining 60% in the year 2009-2010.The rates will be as follows:

Rank
For Regular Officers-Ad-hoc Amount (Rs.)
For MNS Officers-Ad-hoc Amount (Rs.)

Officers



Lt/Equivalent
55,000/-
55,000/-

Capt./Equivalent
65,000/-
62,000/-

Major/Equivalent
70,000/-
65,000/-

Lt Col/Equivalent
80,000/-
71,000/-

Col/Equivalent
1,50,000/-
1,40,000/-

Brigadier/Equivalent
1,60,000/-
1,50,000/-

Maj Gen/Equivalent
1,75,000/-
1,65,000/-

Lt Gen/Equivalent
2,25,000/-






PBORs



NC(E)
20,000/-


Sepoy/Equivalent
25,000/-


Nk/Equivalent
30,000/-


Hav/Equivalent
32,000/-


Nb Sub/Equivalent
48,000/-


Sub/Equivalent
48,000/-


Sub Major/Equivalent
50,000/-


Hony Commissioned Officer
As per Rank on 01.01.2006



The above-mentioned amount would be admissible with reference to the substantive rank held as on 01.01.2006. Payment of the above ad-hoc amounts will be made only to those personnel who were in Service as on 01.01.2006 and continue to be in Service thereafter. The ranks held by the personnel as on 01.01.2006 would be reckoned for drawing the arrears. The concerned paying authorities may deduct income tax as per normal rules at the time of final computation of arrears payable during the current financial year.

Ramani said...

well well well. At last we appear to be seeing some silver lining on the horizon.hopefully the forces will be given their due.
thanks navdeep for all the updates.
you have done more for the cause than many .

Anonymous said...

tpMy Dear fellow faujis,

It is astinsihing to think how how gullible and naive all of us are.Th ehigh level committe of ministers have been set up just to buy time and why the hell should we be paid as per SCPC rates when we had created a sensation by refusing the same????????

We never improve because we put faith in the netas and babus.........NEVER TRUST NETA,BABU,PANDU(POLICE) AND PATRAKAR(PRESS)........These babu bastards will again throw a spoke in teh works........DO NOT BE HAPPY.......THESE BASTRADS WILL GET YOU AGAIN........NEVER KNEW THE CHIEFS WERE SO SPUNKLESS.....

Anonymous said...

Through this blog i would request Mrs Sonia Gandhi to kindly help the Armed forces the best for their right.

Anonymous said...

sonia madam,
its a pity that things have come to this. we llok forward to your positive intervention in this affair

Anonymous said...

I agree with that anonymous guy who says that we have been cheated.Yes the chiefs have backtracked and brought shame to the services....These guys should be beaten up publicly once they retire

Anonymous said...

(IAS) BABOOO,FAUJI PUKARE,
SAMJHO ISHARE,POMPOM,
YAHAN NAHIN HAI PAISA,
JEEVAN YEH KAISA POM POM,,,

The Lt Cols of today are the Cheifs of tommorow...INDIAN ANTI NATIONAL SERVICE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR PLIGHT......WE SHALL REMEMBER THIS........

As for the Chiefs,,,,,are they worth the beating?

Anonymous said...

I believe it is not that new pay scales have been accepted, but only ad-hoc arrears have been accepted. (As per the PIB press releasedated 17 sep)

Col VT Venkatesh(Retd) said...

It would be interesting to know whether orders for pension for defence services have also been issued & the sacles there of
Presently the CDA Pension web site shows orders only for non Armed Forces pensioner (civilians,Coast Guard etc)
The issue of MSP is still very hazy as far as old pensioners are concerned.
Now that the services have realised what unity can do ,we beed to organise ourselves as one.
Imagine having one ESM organisation taking up the cause of all related issues both with the government & in the courts.This is the need of the day.
Modern technology makes this possible.

Ajith said...

@ annony 1.06 AM
I do not think you are from the services.
@ all
Lets show maturity. Have some patience and faith. Believe in yourselves and your strength inorder to take the life forward. If you start disbelieving everything and everyone, it can only end up in a disaster. I agree with you Navdeep.We must have FAITH and PATIENCE.

Anonymous said...

It is not that armed forces cannot fight beaurocrats. The problem is till when they test the patience of nerves of the forces. So please don't use the word Fight to rouse the animal in forces. b'coz that would be unstoppable -

Anonymous said...

adhoc arrears...

Keeping in view that the re-fixation of pay and allowances and consequent calculation of arrears may take some time, the government has decided to make ad-hoc payment of arrears for the current year to all ranks of the Services at the earliest. The proposal received the sanction of the President today. The amount so paid will be adjusted against the final computation of arrears on the revised pay scales. It may be recalled that 40% of the arrears are to be paid in cash in the year 2008-2009 and the remaining 60% in the year 2009-2010.The rates will be as follows:

Rank
For Regular Officers-Ad-hoc Amount (Rs.)
For MNS Officers-Ad-hoc Amount (Rs.)

Officers



Lt/Equivalent
55,000/-
55,000/-

Capt./Equivalent
65,000/-
62,000/-

Major/Equivalent
70,000/-
65,000/-

Lt Col/Equivalent
80,000/-
71,000/-

Col/Equivalent
1,50,000/-
1,40,000/-

Brigadier/Equivalent
1,60,000/-
1,50,000/-

Maj Gen/Equivalent
1,75,000/-
1,65,000/-

Lt Gen/Equivalent
2,25,000/-






PBORs



NC(E)
20,000/-


Sepoy/Equivalent
25,000/-


Nk/Equivalent
30,000/-


Hav/Equivalent
32,000/-


Nb Sub/Equivalent
48,000/-


Sub/Equivalent
48,000/-


Sub Major/Equivalent
50,000/-


Hony Commissioned Officer
As per Rank on 01.01.2006



The above-mentioned amount would be admissible with reference to the substantive rank held as on 01.01.2006. Payment of the above ad-hoc amounts will be made only to those personnel who were in Service as on 01.01.2006 and continue to be in Service thereafter. The ranks held by the personnel as on 01.01.2006 would be reckoned for drawing the arrears. The concerned paying authorities may deduct income tax as per normal rules at the time of final computation of arrears payable during the current financial year.

SK

Anonymous said...

We can blame the earlier service chiefs for the present state of things for services but the current dispensation is really doing very well. It is for the first time that they have stood together and strong. Support them and have patience

Anonymous said...

BREAKING NEWS.......

DISCOVERY OF A NEW SPECIES OF SNAKE.........

Scientists have discovered a new species of snake in the himalayan foothills in Mussoorie.It has been since named the INDIAN ANTINATIONAL SNAKE(IAS).The snakelings hatch evry year at Mussorie and move out to reside in every corner of the country.Feeding on corruption,egoism and misrule this highly posionous snake can cause severe damage to a healthy human being.This snake does not mind targetting the huge animal called "armed forces" and bites it whenever an encounter takes place for no reason.As of now there is no antidote to the venom.But by 2030 scientists expect the public to find an antidote to this snake's venom..
........ALL ARE REQUESTED TO EXERCISE CAUTION.......

Anonymous said...

Here is the extract of Gazzette of India Establishing Equivalence.
MINISTRY OF DEFENCE
CORRIGENDUM
New Delhi, the 12th February, 2007'
No.1 (E).-The following further amendment. is made to Govt of India, Ministry of Defence Notification
dated 4th November, 1937 Laying down equivalent ranks in the General Reserve Engineer Force and the Regular Army for the purpose of the Army Act, 1950 as applied to the General Reserve Engineer Force,namely:-"'--
(Gcneral Reserve Engineer Forl.X Regular Army
Chief Engineer Major General*
Superintending Engineer (Functional Scale) Colonel
Executive Engineer (Non-Functional Selection Grade) lieutenant Colonel
Executive Engineer Major
Assistant Executive Engineer Captain
2. The inter-se-seniority between the Colonels and Superintending Engineers (Functional Scale) will be with reference to date of their assumption of charge as Superintending Engineer(Functional Scale)/the date of appointment as Colonel. The inter-se-seniority between
other ranks at different levels will be decided similarly.
*The post of Chief Engineer may however be held by a Brigadier till such time sufficient number of Major Generals
is not available from the regular Army.
Ref .No. BRDBI06/86198/GE-Il
HARCHARANJIT SINGH, Scy., BRDB & JT. Seey.

Anonymous said...

AOC- AMUSED ON CASH
COD- CASH ON DEMAND(NOT ON DILIVERY)
ASC- ATI SMART CHOR
EME- EASY MONEY EARNERS
SUPPY DEPOT- SUPPY WHAT, YOU KNOW BETTER
CORPS OF ENGRS- CHOR ENGRS
AND MANY MORE... BECAUSE YEH DIL MANGE MORE...

Anonymous said...

All to note

The structuring of adhoc payment to be made to the defence forces is a clear indicator of what is to come in future. The gap in payment of Lt Col and Cols is kept so large so that no issue of over payment comes into play after the co called GOM gives its fore drawn verdict of retaining them in PB -3

Lt Col/Equivalent
80,000/-

Col/Equivalent
1,50,000/-

Navdeep/Maj Navdeep Singh/Capt Navdeep Singh said...

@Anonymous at 10.45

The equivalence quoted by you is only for the purposes of 'Army Act 1950' as the notification itself makes clear. The Army Act prescribes punishing / competent authorities for various powers under the said Act - it is only for that purpose that the notification was issued. And for your kind info, the said notification has already been stalled for implementation. Had this been for equivalence purposes then why did the govt not issue it for MES too ??

Anonymous said...

dear navdeep
not implemented for MES it is again because of Unlawful Dadagiri of forces which def min has experienced now .forces are smart in speaking lies,intolerant and do not obey till thay are forced to lump it

Anonymous said...

YET ANOTHER SPECIES OF SNAKE DISCOVERED ......MONEY EATING SNAKES(MES),,THESE SNAKES THRIVE ON CORRUPTION AND EAT AWAY ALL THE MONEY THAT IS GIVEN TO ARMED FORCES....THEY ALSO EAT AWAY THINGS LIKE BULBS,CHAIRS,SOFAS ETC......UNLIKE THE IAS(INDIAN ANTINATIONAL SNAKE) QUOTED BY SOMEONE(SMART ONE,FRIEND),THERE SEEMS NO REDUMPTION FROM THE FANGS OF THIS SNAKE..................

GOD SAVE ARMY

Anonymous said...

@anony 3.10
Why Lt Gen Panag was removed from Northen Command and whose corruption and wrong doings he was bringing to fore?
Story goes on......

neo said...

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visit http://paymatrix.blogspot.com

Anonymous said...

Gentlemen Officers and Brave Soldiers,

CDA has already credited pay on old pay scale ( FOR A CHANGE ONE DAY EARLIER). Through out the day one could not speak to CDA to check regarding arrears. So much so all the civil lines were temporarily out of order and were not answering on militasry lines. SO NO ARREARS and no revised pay on01 Oct 08 as has been widely reported in all dailies. I believe the banks will remain closed for two to three days you know for what all. So happy diwali and Ji Hind. Let us keep fighting. God is with us.

Anonymous said...

Have Lt Cols been put in pay band 4and when will they get their new payscale and arrears?

pawan said...

For all of those who are blogging without the knowledge of actual beginning of the warrant of precedence in India. Point to be noted is that while it was by No of years for Civil Officers, Military equivlence was by Rank .

Warrant of Precedence as it exists today owes its origins in the Royal Warrant by which by which Precedence was regulated in British India, dated 10th September 1850. Civil Servants (East India Company ) had been divided under the Queens Warrant, into six classes according to date and their standings. Following is the extract from page 60 & 70 of the book “ PEERAGE, BARONETAGE, AND KNIGHTAGE, GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND, FOR 1860, INCLUDING ALL THE TITLED CLASSES.” By Robert P Dod, Esq, Associate of King's College, London. Published by Whittaker and Co, Ave Maria Lane, MDCCCLX. Gilbert and Rivington, Printers, St Johns Square ; 1860 :--

Rule 29. Civilians of the 1st , i.e. of 35 years standing from the date of rank assigned them on their arrival and Maj Generals.
Ranking jointly amongst each other according to seniority, which is computed amongst the civilians form the date of there entering the class to which they belong and amongst the military officers from the date of their commissions.

30.Civilians of the 2nd class i.e. of 20 years standing from the date of rank assigned them on their arrival, and Colonels.
Ranking jointly amongst each other according to rule No 29.

34.Civilians of the 3rd class , i.e. of 12 years standing from the date of rank assigned them on their arrival and Lt Col.
Ranking jointly amongst each other according to rule No 29.

35.Civilians of the 4th class , i.e. of 8 years standing from the date of rank assigned them on their arrival and Majors.
Ranking jointly amongst each other according to rule No 29.

36.Civilians of the 5th class , i.e. of 4 years standing from the date of rank assigned them on their arrival and Captains.
Ranking jointly amongst each other according to rule No 29.

37. Civilians of the 6th class , i.e. of under 4 years standing from the date of rank assigned them on their arrival and
Ranking jointly amongst each other according to rule No 29.

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aj said...

is no one posting on this one any more ?

Anonymous said...

yes, i also feel the same.