Feel free to contribute on burning issues concerning the armed forces. Contributions would be acknowledged - Use the 'Comments' tab or email navdeepsingh.india[at]gmail.com. No operational/business/commercial matters to be discussed please. Legal advice/litigation related issues would strictly NOT be published or discussed or entertained. Information on this blog is opinion based and is neither official nor in the form of an advice. This is a pro bono online journal in public service related to issues, policies and benefits, and the idea behind it is to educate and not to create controversy or to incite. Be soft in your language, respect Copyrights.

Friday, September 13, 2013

And while you wait, comes this…….

As discussed in this previous blogpost of 25 August 2013, issues related to pay of serving personnel, including Non-Functional Upgradation (NFU) were to be addressed by the Committee of Secretaries constituted on directions of the Prime Minister, which was supposed to submit its report by 08 August 2012, that is, August of last year.

Of course nothing moved.

Then the environment was informed about the positive inclination of the Committee in addressing the issues but the reality was different than what was conveyed, including to the top brass of the three services.

Now comes another reality.

Keeping the services in the dark all these months, it has now been confirmed that the Committee, rather than addressing the issues as directed by the PMO, has in fact recorded in its report that all pay related issues should be referred to the next pay commission for consideration.

Well, if even the PMO’s directions can be taken so lightly, then the future does not seem so bright.

Also, some bright minds have asked me as to what would faujis stand to lose by reference of the issues to the next pay commission.


Nothing much, you only stand to lose about ten years of pay and allowances. 

23 comments:

WG.CDR.V.SUNDARESAN(RETD) said...

Scant respect to the PM, AFs, and even to the basic sense of duty.
MASTERS OF DELAY
V.Sundaresan

Anonymous said...

dear sir, thanks for giving the latest on the subject. you are doing a great job to study the defense welfare subjects in details and give your views. there are innumerable topics where action from def min is required to be rectified, starting from rank pay of serving persons and also of retired persons wef 01 jan 86, various allowances, disability pension, rounding off or on seeking pre mature retirement,one rank one pension, degradation of pay of def persons in comparison with IAS officers since then and now. we know you are a busy persons, please keep giving your valuable time to expose such lapses so that army persons serving or retired have the update knowledge of their rightful entitlement. Now request specially for ex servicemen, make a list of all points and vote to the next party in 2014 elections, who promises to solve you problems. thanks

Anonymous said...

dear sir, thanks for giving the latest on the subject. you are doing a great job to study the defense welfare subjects in details and give your views. there are innumerable topics where action from def min is required to be rectified, starting from rank pay of serving persons and also of retired persons wef 01 jan 86, various allowances, disability pension, rounding off or on seeking pre mature retirement,one rank one pension, degradation of pay of def persons in comparison with IAS officers since then and now. we know you are a busy persons, please keep giving your valuable time to expose such lapses so that army persons serving or retired have the update knowledge of their rightful entitlement. Now request specially for ex servicemen, make a list of all points and vote to the next party in 2014 elections, who promises to solve you problems. thanks

AMC doctor said...

Dear Major Navdeep,
Thanks for the latest information.The only way I feel to get our issues resolved is to make our Officers and men Voters in the stations where they are posted and to make sure that they will go for voting.The politicians are afraid of only the voters.We can become a big vote bank and decide the future of many a politicians.IAS babus does not have a vote bank.Our future action should be on these lines because elections are nearing.
Regards
AMC Doctor

Harry said...

@ Maj Navdeep

Sir,

1. Thanks for educating those 'bright minds'. :|

2. No wonder we get shafted time and again and our 'bright minds' don't even realise it!!!

It is really funny how fauji pay anomalies (unlike civ employees') keep lingering on from one pay commission to another and then the next one and we dimwits find nothing unusual in that.

God...what will you take to save us from ourselves? :(

Murarilal Agrawal said...

basically all such points must be brought in parliament by well wishing political party and media through ...

Ranjay said...

Nothing can happen to armed forces till the time Top Brass keep getting lured by small issue....
Armed forces should have realised this when they were not even part of the recommendations.
People feeling for PM/RM...Ha ha ha
they too didn't want it for you !!!
otherwise they could have given it to you...

If you see PM didn't utter a word on welfare of soldiers from Red Fort 2013.

Babus & politicos are together as far as Fauj is concerned
They Know that we are Charlies & IF SOME ARE NOT they will make a charlie out of them too.

none of the Chiefs have spoken about it in OPEN...
GOD BLESS THE ARMED FORCES...

Anonymous said...

our senior officers are largely responsible for landing ourselves in this mess.Our negative attitude and auditor like approach towards our subordinates is manifest in continued deterioration of our financial position and status. another wake up call to us, we must act positively towards the betterment of our men, rather than making statements.

Anonymous said...

Poor, damned senior officers! Most Responsible for everything, even what the bureaucrats do!

What about having no ranks higher than Brigadier in officers cadre and Havildar in Jawans? Younger Armed Forces, lesser pay and allowances, better comradeship, less expenses with may be even common messes like they have in the RAAF!

sethi said...

As per your own blog civilians have won their case from courts and will get ARREARS from JAN 2006 rather than 24 SEP 2012 -- Does the latest blog mean that we will not get till next pay commission---SETHI--IC 10129

Anonymous said...

tarikh pe tarikh, tarikh pe tarikh we only get tarikh. MoD is like above god and even god also cant do anything.

Anonymous said...

While the brass shines and glitters, those outside can enjoy seeing their distorted reflections - like monkeys.

Anonymous said...

A poem by a young Indian Army Officer.

It has been composed by a fourth generation, 24-year old career officer in the Indian Armed Forces, spurred by the report of the Sixth Pay Commission and an insensitive article written by a 'respectable' citizen of the country in a national daily on the armed forces and the pertinence of the Sixth Pay Commission therein.

This free-flowing verse has not been edited; it's to ensure that the originality of the angst is maintained. After all, when you are in pain, the language of expression is the last thing in your mind



Quote

How you play with us, did you ever see?
At Seven, I had decided what I wanted to be;
I would serve you to the end,
All these boundaries I would defend.

Now you make me look like a fool,
When at Seventeen and just out of school;
Went to the place where they made "men out of boys"
Lived a tough life …sacrificed a few joys…

In those days, I would see my 'civilian' friends,
Living a life with the fashion trends;
Enjoying their so called "College Days"
While I sweated and bled in the sun and haze…
But I never thought twice about what where or why
All I knew was when the time came, I'd be ready to do or die.

At 21 and with my commission in hand,
Under the glory of the parade and the band,
I took the oath to protect you over land, air or sea,
And make the supreme sacrifice when the need came to be.

I stood there with a sense of recognition,
But on that day I never had the premonition,
that when the time came to give me my due,
You'd just say," What is so great that you do?"

Long back you promised a well to do life;
And when I'm away, take care of my wife.
You came and saw the hardships I live through,
And I saw you make a note or two,
And I hoped you would realise the worth of me;


but now I know you'll never be able to see,
Because you only see the glorified life of mine,
Did you see the place where death looms all the time?
Did you meet the man standing guard in the snow?
The name of his newborn he does not know...
Did you meet the man whose father breathed his last?
While the sailor patrolled our seas so vast?

You still know I'll not be the one to raise my voice
I will stand tall and protect you in Punjab Himachal and Thois.

But that's just me you have in the sun and rain,
For now at Twenty Four, you make me think again;
About the decision I made, Seven years back;
Should I have chosen another life, some other track?

Will I tell my son to follow my lead?
Will I tell my son, you'll get all that you need?
This is the country you will serve
This country will give you all that you deserve?

I heard you tell the world "India is shining"
I told my men, that's a reason for us to be smiling
This is the India you and I will defend!
But tell me how long will you be able to pretend?
You go on promise all that you may,
But it's the souls of your own men you betray.

Did you read how some of our eminent citizens
Write about me and ridicule my very existence?
I ask you to please come and see what I do,
Come and have a look at what I go through
Live my life just for a day
Maybe you'll have something else to say?

I will still risk my life without a sigh
To keep your flag flying high
but today I ask myself a question or two…
Oh India…. Why do I still serve you

Anonymous said...

Dear Maj Navdeep,
Thanks for this piece of news, though it is terrible. But it is better to be updated rather than remain ignorant.
Compare this news with what the Govt recently sanctioned ie.medical treatment abroad at Govt expense for the IAS, IPS and IFoS.These guys know how to get what they want.We,unfortunately, do not make ourselves heard.No one takes our rightful demands seriously.Even an under-secretary can throw us about and and we just lump it. They treat us with disregard and disgust, for the Fauji(Navy and IAF included) is dispensable being plain cannon-fodder.The remedy lies in effective and forceful action by the Service Headquarters to secure what is rightfully due.

Rajesh Agrawal said...

The senior officers are to be blamed for this. They always thought and said that daaru and kukkad is the answer to all the issues. God bless them. We were always overawed by the brass on the shoulders and the smart uniforms. Actually the civvies are having the last laugh.

Col Prakash said...

Navdeep why dont you start a political party in conjunction with all Ex Servicemen associations .....The Xmen, serving soldiers and families would be a phenomenal votebank..... more than 15-20 million ( Families included) each xmen/serving soldier is 4-5 votes......

Try it......We can......

bala said...

One line statement of the issue is apt and has every thing .

Now, if 40,000 effected mil officers WEARING COMBAT MIL DRESS&EQPT are passive and silent ;even after PM direction &ALSO JUDICIAL ORDERS ON OTHER RELATED ISSUE- WHY OR HOW ANY BODY ,INCL GOD WOULD INTERFERE /HELP THEM ???????????.

HEIGHT OF.......LIMIT????
Get it ,take it or leave it.

Further to what Navdeep has said-next pay com/mil pay com will base their recco on present scales/grades/pays...

PRESENT BENCHMARK !
Few things have come because of help from NAVDEEP ,Danapalan,RDOA,agitations by esm gps.......etc.

How about those in boots???

sunlit said...

@sethi: "...we will not get till next pay commission...;

I understand a separate notice was issued for armed forces too but, sadly, no clarification has been forthcoming on this blog in response to a previous comment.

Perhaps someone could shed some light now on the staus of that notice.

Anand Murty said...

Its indeed very unfortunate that things are not dealt with properly at appropriate level with firmness....well let us see the importance of likes of col rathore in the foray........

Anonymous said...

Dear Maj Navdeep Sir,
1. There was a news that committee has recommended NFU for armed forces and three chiefs were given the green signal. Now your news that Secretaries have recorded in their recommendations that pay and allowances issues be referred to 7th Pay commission. But one thing needs clarification whether NFU is coming or that is also left to 7th Pay Commission.

2. Officers are waiting eagerly and this news is not good news.

regards

Anonymous said...

Gentlemen,

Please update the few names of General officers who have the qualities we look for !!

Rather than bunching all of them as in pay matters ??

Let us treat them above a JS.

Maybe, MAY BE, one amongst them will bring about the change we all seek.

LET US ALL SUPPORT THAT FEW GENERAL OFFICERS.

bala said...

I am constrained to say-Hon supreme court order ,absolutely clear.
Where is need for every ..... to interpret and keep rendering opinions ;after delaying for so long .Any way ! some thing is out after so much of time taken by attorney at law .
The game of evasion,postpone ,delay ,denial.....amounting to cheating is glaringly visible.

If,CHIEFS/Mil men really want to resolve these matters -it is few days only !
THESE ISSUES AND MATTERS ARE SIMPLY LISTED AS ANOMALIES FOR DECADES SINCE 1973 &1986 ,WITHOUT RESOLVING ,ARE GETTING ACCUMULATED AND HAVING COMPOUNDING DIMINISHING EFFECT.

1973 -1986 -1996 -2006 AND WE ARE AT 7 TH CPC ,WITHOUT RECTIFICATION/RESOLVING EARLIER ANOMALIES/DENIALS.

Anonymous said...

Sir,

Pay and allowances of GOI employees are decided by govt. How come Committee of Secy (Gp A officers) were allowed to decide the fate of ARMED FORCES OFFICERS on NFU, who have the same CONSTITUTIONAL STATUS.

Can it be challenged in Court of Law. Will it not involve BREACH OF INTEREST & FAITH.