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Thursday, March 8, 2012

Three points related to Limited Competitive Examination for the Indian Police Service


Firstly, the online application form is now available on the official website of the Union Public Service Commission. Officers desirous of applying may do so within time and should start preparing as per the syllabi mentioned in the advertisement. It is wished and hoped that there would be no dearth of encouragement from Commanders at all levels for young officers willing to change the colour of their uniform.

Secondly, the MHA could have done with some more homework and clarity on the eligibility conditions. The advertisement makes DSPs with 5 years of service and Assistant Commandants of the Para-Military Forces (sic) eligible for the examination alongwith officers of the rank of Capt/Major from the defence services. Now it is not clear from the advertisement whether the 5 year service condition is applicable only to DSPs or to all categories of eligible officers. Also it would be wrong to equate and treat at par all three categories. DSPs in some States are Group B officers with Grade Pay 4800 (equivalent to Subedar Majors) while in other States they are Group A with GP 5400 (equivalent to Lieutenants). On the other hand, Assistant Commandants are Group A Officers with GP 5400 (equivalent to Lieutenants). Officers of the rank of Lieutenant in the Army with GP 5400 have been made ineligible while much senior officers of the rank of Capt (GP 6100) and Major (GP 6600) have only been made eligible for the examination while their civilian peers would be much junior. Such chaos could have simply been avoided if a plain eligibility stipulation of “05 years Group A / Commissioned Service” had been envisaged resulting not only in equal opportunity to all services but a uniformity in applications also. Perhaps the MHA did not consult the States, the defence services and the CAPFs before imposing a one-sided eligibility condition. It would be in the fitness of things if the Services HQ could point this out to the MHA and the UPSC. Also, all CAPFs have not been included and many of them have been left out, even the advertisement strangely refers to CAPFs by its now-defunct nomenclature of “Para-Military Forces”.

Thirdly, it would have been better if the finer aspects of the service conditions such as seniority and pay protection could have been clearly spelt out.

Though it seems that efficient homework is lacking, I’m sure things would get sorted out in the times to come. 

111 comments:

Anonymous said...

"(b) have completed 05 years of continuous and actual service as Deputy Superintendent of Police in
States under State Police Service

or

Assistant Commandants in Central Para Military Forces (Central Reserve Police Service, Border Security Force, Indo Tibet Border Police ,Central Industrial Security Force and Sashastra Seema Bal)

or

Officers of the Rank of Captain or Major or equivalent in the Armed Forces."

You are in a better position to interpret the language in the advt. but it looks like the 5 years condition is only applicable to DSPs & not to others.

badola said...

take it or leave it

Major Christo said...

and its not clear if the ss released officers who meet the age and five years service criteria are eligible to apply !!!!!

Anonymous said...

and its not clear if the ss released officers who meet the age and five years service criteria are eligible to apply !!!!!

Anonymous said...

What about short service released offrs who have completed five years of service. Kindly provide clarity on the eligibilty, at the earliest.

Shyam S S said...

The
candidates will also have to submit
separately another copy of their
application to UPSC through proper
channel, wherein their Cadre Controlling
Authorities will have to verify that they are
clear from vigilance angle and are having
requisite service of 05 years in the eligible
grades. The Union Public Service
Commission will initially consider eligibility
of a candidate in the Limited Competitive
Examination for recruitment in the Indian
Police Service on the basis of the Online
Applications submitted directly by the
candidateseig nvergem

Anonymous said...

dear sir,
could you please clarify on the fwg:-
(a) would the seniority of offrs be given to them as per the army records?
(b) would ante-date seniority be admissible for offrs who have the same?

Anonymous said...

anawer to above post is NO

Anonymous said...

copy of the gazette datd 03 Mar 2012 is urgently required to get the application countersigned.

Harinder said...

Sir I am serving army major and fulfill all eligibility conditions except i am a battle casuality with below knee amputation. Am i eligible for absorption into IPS?

Major HS Grover
harinder.grover81@gmail.com

Major(Retd.) Deepak Joshii said...

It is not applicable for Short Service released offrs, the langue say continuous services. For the same i have spoke to the UPSC facilitation counter to inquire about Cadre Controlling Authorities will have to verify that they are
clear from vigilance angle and are having requisite service of 05 years in the eligible grades. They categorically mentioned it is for serving officers and not for retired/released offrs. If any other versions please share.

Anonymous said...

sir, i have spoken on this issue to the MS BRANCH and they have said one can go ahead with applying in case he meets the criterion laid down in Army Order 27/87. i'm unable to find this AO. can u help out with the provisions.
any offr who could lay hand on this AO, pl share the info for benefit of thers

NAGIREDDY said...

Captain with 5 yrs of service as captain will automaticaly promoted as major ( Lt.commender in Navy )
Hence no captain with 5 yrs of service will be available for IPS exam likewise major with 5 yrs of service as major + 1 more yr of service [ total 6 yrs ]
will automaticaly promoted to Lt colonal and placed in PB 3 scale of pay. Hence it is persumed that 5 yrs of service is not appilicable to captain and major .
If so necessary corrigendum may perhaps be issued to item 4 of UPSC advt wherein it is stated that cadre contoling authorities will have to verify 5 yrs of service in the eligible cadre .

If 5 yrs of service as captain or major it is against principles of natural justice and we have to bring to the notice of press and judiciary .please take up the issue with UPSC immediatly. (R.Nagireddy chennai)

NAGIREDDY said...

Captain with 5 yrs of service as captain will automaticaly promoted as major ( Lt.commender in Navy )
Hence no captain with 5 yrs of service will be available for IPS exam likewise major with 5 yrs of service as major + 1 more yr of service [ total 6 yrs ]
will automaticaly promoted to Lt colonal and placed in PB 3 scale of pay. Hence it is persumed that 5 yrs of service is not appilicable to captain and major .
If so necessary corrigendum may perhaps be issued to item 4 of UPSC advt wherein it is stated that cadre contoling authorities will have to verify 5 yrs of service in the eligible cadre .

If 5 yrs of service as captain or major it is against principles of natural justice and we have to bring to the notice of press and judiciary .please take up the issue with UPSC immediatly.
R.Nagireddy < chennai>

Anonymous said...

Mr Nagireddy
it is total 5 years of continuos service

Anonymous said...

The notification says Capt/Maj and equivalent ranks in armed forces. While this is not known to many of the senior officers,so who can apply is a big question. I m an IAF officer with 8 yrs of service with Permanent commission,can PC officer like me also apply for the same?????

NAGIREDDY said...

Please go through the advt.." have completed 5 yrs of continuous and actual service as DSP " - if it is appilicable to captain and major and then it might be " have completed 5 yrs of continous and actual service as captain or major. some thing wrong with this advt - 5 yrs service should not be appilicable to captain /major since they have already higher position in group A . PMO/UPSC is requested to clarify . Dignity of captain /major must be protected . Nagireddy

Major K R Singh said...

Sir I am confused about the Cadre controlling authority. I want to know that by what channel our application would be sent to the UPSC office. will it go through Unit directly or through MS/AG branch of AHQ, New Delhi.

Maj K R Singh

Robin said...

Maj R Mathew.
Dear Sir,
if you could educate us about pros and cons of joining IPS through limited competitive exam when compared to the existing life in army. i am a PC oficer with 6 yrs of service doing well in all army courses till now. SHOULD i go for this opertunity or not???

Anonymous said...

What would be cadre controlling authority for SSC released officers????

Anonymous said...

FELLOW OFFRS... I SUPPOSE YOU ALL HAVE BEEN DREAMING OF JOINING W/O SPKG TO THE ARMY HQ ON THIS ISSUE. LET ME GIVE YOU ALL CORRECT PICTURE NOW.

1. WHILE THE OFFER IS OPEN TO ALL ARMY HQ (MS-7) HAS SAID, ONLY OFFRS MEETING ANY OF THE CRITREIA OF AO 27/87 CAN APPLY WHICH SIMPLY MAKE THIS WHOLE ADVERTSEMNT A FARCE!!!

2. LET'S SEE THE PROVISIIONS:-
- OFFRS WHO HAVE BEEN SUPERCEEDED(CANNOT BE MAJS).
- OFFRS WITH 2 YRS RESIDUAL SERVICE (CANNOT BE MAJS).
- OFFRS HAVEN'T CLEARED PROMOTION EXAM TILL 18 YRS OF SERIVCE (CANNOT BE MAJ).
- OFFRS IN PERMT MED CAT (WIL NOT BE ACCEPTED BY IPS).
- OFFR DONE LONG COURSE TILL 5 YRS AND SHORT COURSE TILL 3 YRS CANNOT GO.

3. NOW A CAPT / MAJ WILL NOT COME UNDER ANY OF THIS CRITERIA. IT'S A DECENT WAY OF ENSURING NO REG OFFR LEAVES ARMY.

4. SO ALL REG OFFRS PL STOP DREAMING AND START CONC ON YOUR JOB..

Anonymous said...

FELLOW OFFRS... I SUPPOSE YOU ALL HAVE BEEN DREAMING OF JOINING W/O SPKG TO THE ARMY HQ ON THIS ISSUE. LET ME GIVE YOU ALL CORRECT PICTURE NOW.

1. WHILE THE OFFER IS OPEN TO ALL ARMY HQ (MS-7) HAS SAID, ONLY OFFRS MEETING ANY OF THE CRITREIA OF AO 27/87 CAN APPLY WHICH SIMPLY MAKE THIS WHOLE ADVERTSEMNT A FARCE!!!

2. LET'S SEE THE PROVISIIONS:-
- OFFRS WHO HAVE BEEN SUPERCEEDED(CANNOT BE MAJS).
- OFFRS WITH 2 YRS RESIDUAL SERVICE (CANNOT BE MAJS).
- OFFRS HAVEN'T CLEARED PROMOTION EXAM TILL 18 YRS OF SERIVCE (CANNOT BE MAJ).
- OFFRS IN PERMT MED CAT (WIL NOT BE ACCEPTED BY IPS).
- OFFR DONE LONG COURSE TILL 5 YRS AND SHORT COURSE TILL 3 YRS CANNOT GO.

3. NOW A CAPT / MAJ WILL NOT COME UNDER ANY OF THIS CRITERIA. IT'S A DECENT WAY OF ENSURING NO REG OFFR LEAVES ARMY.

4. SO ALL REG OFFRS PL STOP DREAMING AND START CONC ON YOUR JOB..

Anonymous said...

sir
the criteria to hav 5 years of service is not clarifying on which date the service has to be 5 years is the last date of filling application of 1 aprl 12 or is it dat before joing IPS the service should be 5 years

Anonymous said...

It doesnt seem to be a very lucrative offer after reading the report by Mr Kamal kant which is the basis of this entire process. It is primarily meant for secondary vacancies lying vacant in IPS cadre in which they dont want direct IPS offrs. It is a secondary job. Also there is no surity about maintaining the seniority and the pay bracket. It is totally mute on that issue. It turns out to be a very hazy picture. All in all, it shall be a second grade job from current job.Also there shall be a great discrimination between direct IPS and thru this, even in promotional aspects.So think before you take the plunge....

Anonymous said...

Dear sir,
i hope MS or AG branch are listening to this war cry of joining IPS by young officer or the are still singing the autocratic song of shortage of officer.

Anonymous said...

The wave generated itself clearly indicates the morale of the serving young as well as senior offers of the armed forces.

Anonymous said...

can somebody tell me how to apprise the chief nd vicechief of this proposal...i m sure they wont even know tht...if somebody knows about any website or some other forum...thru which it could be conveyed that youngsters incl PC offrs want try for this exam...atlest let them appear for exam...even if 20-25 guys get thru...how much difference will it make to army .....hope chief ll do something for spirant offrs before demitting office

dany said...

this ltd competitive exam for IPS will not benefit army officers.eligibility conditions are as per AO 27/87. according to this AO officers with only 2 yrs residual service can apply. so in the rank of capt/maj only SSCO are eligible. PC officers cannot apply at all.other terms and conditions in the ibid AO are LMC,superseded for promotion etc.
neither the MOD nor MHA is serious about inducting ARMY OFFRs in to IPS.
AO 27/87 is not even relevant to this situation.more deliberation required.

SOAMI BHATNAGAR said...

major soami bhatnagar
guys i have also spoken to col ms 7 and he said just forget it z as mentioned above in ao 27/1987 no pc officer is eligible but for sure we all can built pressure to our higher ups but then it requires a combined efforts . lets we all pl write to our col comdts / ms /ag and chief pl remember do can be written to any one then lets move personal applications on this and fight this out always remember that nothing comes for free so pl fight and thanks major navdeep for suggesting way out .pl u also rake up this issue for sake ok we all to the forum where u have the reach and so that this matter is taken up seriously .all who are interested can pl mail me on captsoamibhatnagar@gmail.com and then probably we can fight it out in mean time keep seeking noc from ms7

Anonymous said...

I m a PC offr.Pl tell me how to get the appl signed from the cadre controlling authority.

Anonymous said...

it is absolutely wrong that pc offrs cant apply.everyone must be given a fair chance to compete.there has to be a way out.clarification on the service reqd issue-it has to be 5 yrs or more as on 01 aug 2012.can anyone tell a way for pc offrs to apply

Anonymous said...

WHILE WE ALL WILL BE BUSY WRITING LEFT RIGHT AND CENTER.... THE POSTAL DELAY OF CORRESPONDENCE WILL ENSURE THAT THE LAST DATE OF SUBMISSION OF APPLICATION IS OVER....AND AIM OF OUR BOSSES IS ACHIEVED WITHOUT GIVING DECISION.... AS USUAL

Anonymous said...

Dear Offrs

There's a letter issued by MS-7B on 15mar2012 regarding the eligibility criteria for regular & ss offrs. It says all regular offrs can apply as per policy vide para 2 of A027/87 if they meet any one of the following criteria:-
(a) 2 yrs prior to their complusory retirement for the rk held.
(b) Finally superseded offrs may apply as soon as info of suprsession has been recd.
(c) Placed in such a low med category as is unacceptable for retn in service.
(d) Those who have completed 18 yrs of service & not yet passed pard 'D' promotional exam or equivalent.

I dont think any offr with less than 35 yrs will meet any of the criteria except ser (c). for which upsc is notwilling to take lmc offrs.

strict rules such as the above ones will only demotivate the offrs who wanted do well

Anonymous said...

While we may not have many reasons to be affected by the ever changing and migrating thought process of think tank of lesser mortals and more elite policy makers but definitely the righteousness in policy making does create a positive wave of hope and dream. More so, in a democratic nation one must have freedom to adept one’s thoughts to the ever changing needs and trends but such changes must come across as natural and not obvious.







Surprisingly, it might also be possible that the concerned authorities must have consulted Armed Forces before offering such a seemingly-bright-proposal to deviate the serving officers from their job to be jostling for such opportunities. However, to me such a possibility seems less realistic as no service will offer such an “open exit policy”. (Barring the few such as Mckinsey in the private sector and other MNC’s-pardon me if I am wrong), moreover, such offers definitely imply that Armed forces are less preferred a choice for the talented youth that Indian Police Services.

What about-for a moment- if we reverse the situation. Considering the shortage of officers in the Armed forces, what if we open the doors of induction for serving officers in the state and central services. First of all will the state government and respective departments agree? If they agree, do we will really see a lateral shift from civil to the armed forces? I am sure all of us know the answer.



The question here is definitely not about which service is better? It’s about induction policies. We must have induction policies which do not undermine the any cadre in particular and any service in general. If our aim is to uplift the mood of the masses for joining the Armed Forces, we must extend this opportunity to people who have already rendered their service to the nation rather than creating a quandary.



Amid such a quintessential paradoxical situation, it is certainly possible that we are heading to a more collateral damage situation than otherwise. One cannot deny that such a policy will certainly increase the burden on overall thought and working capital of the armed forces. I can see a long triple chase (not of Paan Singh Tomar) of hundreds of applications of serving officers to seek permission for appearing in exam- eventually leading disgruntlement. How? A service cannot allow the brightest to leave but at the same time cannot let the remaining to have a seemingly-good opportunity. Moreover, however hard one may try to streamline the in-house procedures for application to such examinations, either way it’s too quixotic a situation.



Considering the pros and cons of such an a policy, one thing is for sure that it’s a catch 22 situation for both the ends ( UPSC and Armed forces and paramilitary services). In such a situation, one must resort to basic thought process; as it is often said that too much of manipulations ultimately converge into the basic only.

So, let’s not take away this opportunity from the Retired Armed Forces and Para Military Services officers to prove their mettle yet again in the civil world. Making Retired Officer’s eligible (of course with eligibility conditions) will certainly pave the way for absorption of already groomed officers into the system. If we talk on the macro level, creating such opportunities for the Retired/SSC officers will prove to be a great motivation for the youth of our country who want to join our esteemed Armed Forces.

Anonymous said...

smarter way of saying no
ms 7 b has issues advisory to all comds and corp

Anonymous said...

Can anybody exactly give the updates regarding stand of Army HQ for SSC offrs on extension, and also about AMC offrs?

Anonymous said...

What is the latest regarding SSC offrs on extension?Is Army HQ ready to give them chance to appear?

Anonymous said...

What is the latest regarding SSC offrs on extension?Is Army HQ ready to give them chance to appear?

MAJ FIGHTER said...

1. LET ME BRING OUT THE REAL FACTS.ARMY ORDERS ARE NOT THE GOVT. ORDERS.IT IS THE ORDERS BY THE COAS.

2. IN THIS CASE THE UPSC NOTIFICATION IS AS PER GOVT ORDERS GRE 116(E).

3. SO GENTLEMEN SOMEBODY HAS TO TELL MS 7 THAT GOVT ORDERS SUPERCEDES ARMY ORDER 27/87 IN THIS CASE AND THEY SHOULD THINK TWICE BEFORE REJECTING THE APPLICATIONS OR THEY MIGHT FACE LEGAL COMPLICATIONS LATER.

4. IS MS 7A READING THIS.

Anonymous said...

is anybody aware of the stand taken by AIRFORCE or naval HQ.

Anonymous said...

"The Ministry intends to recruit only such officers of SPSs, CPAFs and Armed Forces to the Indian Police Service through Limited Competitive Examination who stands in the parent cadre as on the date before joining the Indian Police Service and fulfill all other criteria also" it is a clarification on UPSC website.

Anonymous said...

ours is a democratic country and we despite being in the olive greens enjoy certain rights. In any case MS_7 rulings cannot supersede govt rulings, if they have done so then there can be a legal recourse.
in my opinion AHA dont have any moral and legal right to stop what the govt has granted.
i hope this voice finds his way to the ones concerned

Anonymous said...

It clearly indicates that in spite of clearly debarring offrs from appearing in this exam, the AO ‘ghundi’ has been shown to them. I would like to bring few persuasive points against these depressing directions by MS-7. At first glance the Armed forces would raise a question that we are also lacking in our manpower. But that would be very premature and short-sightedness. Following points should be taken into consideration:
(a) Army at par with IPS: Though Army is at par with IPS on papers but the ground reality is evident to everyone. Army offrs and PBORs find themselves helpless in any police action against him. The opportunity will put them practically at par with IPS offrs and they will get the same respect in civil as an IPS offr gets.
(b) Limited Vacancies means very limited effect: UPSC has released only 70 vacs per year and army would get only a small share of this vacs(maximum 20%) because navy, air force, CPOs and DSP of state police are also applicable fro ibid exam. Army should be magnanimous enough to spare this many offrs after their selection.
(c) Bulwark of Army pers in civil area: The offrs selected for these services would act as a bridge or helping hand between army pers and civil society. They will always have a soft corner for their own fraternity and would help all army pers in their civil disputes. This will boost up the confidence of other army pers.
(d) Confidence of young offrs: This opportunity will take the confidence of Young offrs to new heights. They will have a strong career option other than appearing for Staff college exam. The same is evident from the number of applications received by AGs branch or respective MS br.
(e) Increased furor for joining army: At present the brightest among the young generation want to join IPS in place of Armed forces. This exam will make Army at par with IPS and the army as an equally good opportunity. This will also improve the shortage of offrs in Indian Army and quality of candidate appearing for army entrance examinations.
(f) Equal opportunity in CPOs and State police: The CPOs and State police are encouraging their class-1 offrs to appear for this examination. The army should also provide equal opportunity to their offrs in this regard.
(g) Learning value and knowledge enhancement: The examination will test a candidate’s knowledge in various fields. The offrs appearing for this exam will have a great learning value, which will be utile for the organization.

Ankur said...

My friends it is appalling to see that army has to resort to such means to stop its brightest from leaving clearly shows how the army has been treating the, they don't want to stay, being an ex nda,pc offr, i am doing reasonably well in my career . got instructor grading in all my courses till now, but given a chance i wll definetely quit army.so the top brass should maka a concsious decision, let the people who want to leave go; no use keeping bright disgruntled lads, who will be impediments in orgrather beeing an asset.

Anonymous said...

dear Maj Navdeep,

are we allowed to take any legal action against imposition of AO-27/87 for eligibility of officers, which clearly debars all offrs from appearing in this exam.

if yes then please guide us on this issue.

Anonymous said...

what is the way out Maj Navdeep is requested to kindly guie all of us

Raghav Tomar said...

Dear Sir,

Would Officer Ex-Servicemen who were discharged before completion of 5 years of service due to injury attributed to service, be eligible for this Limited Examination for Indian Police Service?

Anonymous said...

as i m aware naval hq has not put any terms like put by ms-7.naval hq is forwarding the application without any hassles.

Anonymous said...

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Army-wet-blanket-over-PC-s-IPS-plan/Article1-828430.aspx

Anonymous said...

can anyone guide me what is level of the examination ?,since it s new pattern of exam for us, is it their any limitation in preparation ..pl guide me....

Anonymous said...

Link to IPS LCE rules.... we(army officers) can not only apply but also claim the TA/DA for the journeys performed for applying for the exam.see GSR No 116(E)...on ministry og home affairs page... and while u apply thorough the proper channel(CO) give reference of GSR No 116 (E) and Gazette of India Extraordinary dated 03 Mar 2012 by MHA. GSR & Gazette of india supersedes AOs as AOs r by the chief n Gazette is by the GoI. link for GSR No 116 (E) http://mha.nic.in/pdfs/IPS-rec-Rules2012.pdf

Anonymous said...

MAJ NAVDEEP, SIR PLZ RAISE UP THIS ISSUE AT THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL. IN THE MEANTIME ALSO GUIDE US FOR THE SAME. THE HIPOCRACY OF MS7 SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED.

Anonymous said...

whats the way out Maj Navdeep ?

any legal way to challenge this army's ego grandstanding ?

Anonymous said...

The Air Force has also put a filter in the applicants path by saying only SSC in their last year of engagement can apply and after selection they need to finish the tenure first or else they will not be given NOC.. Can someone tell me when the ARMY, Navy and air force are going to wake up... If they are preventing officers like this they are definitely going to burn there fingers as the oppurtunity to find a identity in civil would be lost..and we will keep writing letters only for a soldiers help to the Civil administration.....

Ankur said...

Dear sir, Am going ahead with filling the application for this exam and forwarding one copy to MS7 let them categorically deny me , plz guide me what legal recourse do i have am a permanent commissioned offr with 6 yrs of service. Kindly do guide us all
Regards Ankur

Anonymous said...

our army chief is only interested in his own false pride and ego. He should have done something about this. Else other officers will also get a kick from govt like he is getting.

Anonymous said...

Air force has clarified that only officers of SSC in their last yr of service can apply( official copy seen ). Also have got the letter from under secretary MHA to the secretary MoD. Two critical issues that need to be seen before applying as per the letter
(a) Fixation of Seniority : The year of allotment will be the same as the year of selection( seniority starts as per the year of selection) and shall be placed BELOW the normal recruits through civil services exam and above State Police services.
(b) Fixation of Pay :Pay of these officers shall be fixed in the same way as that selected through CSE.

These two factors as per the official letter clearly indicate:
1. That a person gets no previous seniority.
2. Starts from the basic pay of a new recruit IPS officers
3. Shall be below the direct entry.

For a person with say 10 yrs of service this is going back by 10 years altogether. So need to think before applying...

Anonymous said...

Dear sir
I just went through some blogs and could easily make it that lots of young officer are desirous in appearing for limited ips exam. I cant really understand the policies of respective headquarters, whenever any beneficial decision is taken by the civil ministries the headquarters always impede and become an obstacle. They dont realise that they are just creating another means of resentment among the officers who are willing to try their mettle. Now onething is clear it is a UPSE exam and is not going to be cake walk, believe me it will be as tough as the regular UPSE civil services exam.Secondly the board is not bound to fullfill all the seats and only canidate fit in their grading will qualify.Thirdly there are just seventy seats and even if the arm forces guys put up their best show hardly 15-20 from army and 5-10 from navy and IAF will get through.so just to hold on 25-30 officers in three services why is the Headquarters piling up resentment of thousand of officers. SO i think this decision must be retrospected for benefit and liveliness of officers. I think most of us will keep cribbing throughout our life for something which we might have not succeeded if given a chance. So, why Headquartes and top echelons are unnecessarily becoming victim of so many officers ... Jai Hind

Anonymous said...

dear friends,
This LCE thing is a farce.. after having served as a first grade element in our respective services, this trap is gonna make you grade 2 citizens in IPS cadre. U see, your seniority will not be protected. After 8 or nine yrs of service,u'll be put junior to a fresher out of college who comes thru CSE. your seniority will be 2012 irrespective. Now, the IPS Babus are falling short of cannon fodder in Maoist affected areas. I'm sure these LCE guys are gonna be cannon fodder to save the skins of IPS guys. Its the army guy who'll be pushed into combat while CSE buggers shall have the cream in cities. You are being planned to be used a shield.. Your blood shall get them glory... Boys if u gotta fight them... fight them with your soldiers rather than with PANDU HAVALDAR...!! n yes.. how many of us can actually bear foregoing our service seniority just to become a second grade citizen in a different cadre.... I say it's not worth it...

Anonymous said...

HEY I WILL LIKE TO KNOW....CAN KHAKHIS BE BETTER THAN OGs......NO WAY....WE MUST TAKE PRIDE IN WHAT WE ARE WEARING.....WE R THE BEST....BEST OF LUCK TO ALL

Anonymous said...

The Navy has also said that they will not leave anybody to join IPS.

Anonymous said...

guys u can join this group on fb and discuss whts new on this issue and help each other.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/199547953481284/

Anonymous said...

Some body needs to clarify if seniority is being protected or not................Is the seniority starting from 2012??????????????that's outrageous............

Anonymous said...

isnt this army order contradictory to article 16 of our constitution?, can it be challenged in court??

Anonymous said...

Can someone who has forwarded his application for approval guide me as to the procedure for sending the application through proper channel to UPSC. I want to know the proper channel. Is it supposed to go directly to MS-7 after sign of the CO or other levels are also involved. Pl advice.

Anonymous said...

After obtaining NOC will the printed online application be submitted to UPSC by MS Br ? and how much time they r taking in processing?

Anonymous said...

Has anybody's final application been submitted to UPSC? if yes, then by indl or by MS?

Anonymous said...

The army,navy and airforce are all not allowing the PC officers to write the exam..........It's a sad state of affairs.........the idea is if we are stuck,how can you get out????Instead of making the service attractive, these guys are just stopping the disinterested officers from leaving......

Anonymous said...

more than 1000 application have been sent ARMY without approval of MS branch. the information i got from UPSC itself.

Anonymous said...

" the idea is if we are stuck,how can you get out???? ""

Unfortunately, that seems the view...


very sad to let go of such an opportunity !!

Anonymous said...

How many applied? How r the prep going on? Any sharing on prep info?

Anonymous said...

First war is to be over by tomorrow! Best wishes to all who have applied for the IPS LCE exam.

Anonymous said...

There is recent development of some interest to all IPS Ltd Exam aspirants.A NGO have moved an application to stay the subject examination stating it is violation of right of equal opportunity Art 16 at Delhi High Court with full backing of IPS Associations of 23 states.Delhi High court have reserve its verdict till 28 th april.So all appearing candidates keep your finger cross.Wish u all Luck.

Anonymous said...

UPSC have receive total 11,500 hard copy of online forms including those who have gone to court and have deposited application along with court order copy.seats are 80 ,36 for General catergory and 44 for reserved category.
.........................
all the best

Anonymous said...

Anybody preparing for the exam? How r u going for it? Such a vast syllabus and such a short time? ..........

Anonymous said...

Any news on how many applications got through? From Armed forces n CPMF/ State police forces!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

maj navdeep pls clarify what kind of court order we are talking about in the post of 24 apr

Anonymous said...

check the claim mounted by NGO Zakat who have filed courtcase against LCE at HC,Delhi.connect to
www.zakatindia.org

Anonymous said...

has anybody rcvd e-admit card?
any pc officers planning to write this exam starting 20 may 2012...

amit said...

can PC offr write this exam ? Though i have filled the online form and even send the hardcopy contersigned by CO to UPSC.But i am not sure whether i should write it or not? if in case i clear will i be able to get release or the step will backfire leading to some official action.Pl clarify.

Anonymous said...

The way Army is and the ways our organization's concern for YO's is :

It will not just backfire but BACK-BLAST you to the wall :P

having said that, even if UPSC allows, fauj will not allow and give same shit.. offrs shortage etc etc...
and heard MS is preparing some ammo for action for not taking permission for filling online exam.. forget appearing :(

whatever, the policy will be clear by next year only, since New COAS is not that antagonistic against this govt's policies and decisions.

Dont go for the exam..its a trap.. plus IPS lobby is already against the joining ..


plus naxal areas :(

Anonymous said...

lets everyone write the exam!!
no one is going to kill you and we r not doing any thing wrong, its in the interest of nation after all..
wat action by the way we are talking about? You are applying for the IPS entry and not for the damn private job so do not worry about the actions ...the if the intentions are good every thing has to work in favour.......lets rise and shine together...jai hind!!

Anonymous said...

SOS....SOS...SOS
such a vast syllabus!!!!!
Any body lucky enough to get some PCK ;) pl share.
Otherwise its walking on road with no end.
SOS.....SOS

Anonymous said...

e admit cards are available at upsc.gov.in for LCE IPS 2012.

take a shot guys....... and dont forget......
if there is a will there is away

lets rise and shine!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Roll nos issued......

Anonymous said...

Has anyone recvd the admit card?Are they planning to have the exam on 20 May 12???does not look like it.

Anonymous said...

does anyone manage to get figure from UPSC on how many candidates are appearing? ANYONE RESOURCEFUL.As per them its a fluctuating figure which they are not divulging,because of so many court cases already in pipeline.
..............
n yes tnx 4 e card info.Irony is most of time server keeps coming busy.upsc should do something about it.

Anonymous said...

Okey....

The figures as per UPSC and " SOURCES "

12,108 Online Applications plus 2700 applications by post (remote places not having internet access)

The total applicants include Police , BSF, CRPF & ITBP...
but a number of organzations like BPRDA etc

Many in mumbai and delhi have already attended classes for 2 months, bcoz they were aware of this likely opening before the notification and readiness of their HODs to release/allow them.

Fauj( Army,AF & Navy) was very co-operative towards its officers.. (how ? we all know)


Its a gr8 chance lost tis year due to mismanagement, this exam is not like CDS ... someone can give based on GK and without preparation. Plus Three days to be spared in this leave-hungry months of May.
Hope next year Faujis will grab all 60 seats,
so that some people in OGs will serve the people and also continue to do the nation proud !


How many are planning to appear with this short 15 days notice ??

Mind it,
IPS needs YOs of Fauj !
we are the best... LCE 2013.. IA is coming ...

Jai Hind..

Anonymous said...

Rabba paper kara de!!!!!!!! Can't take it any more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Maj Navdeep sir WHY my post is not appearing here..??

I had posted by mistake in other topic.. same discussion there also..

please post it ..after edit.

thxx..
++++++++++++++++

12,108 Online Applications..


and another 2700 applications by post..not having internet access.

The applicants just dnt include Police , BSF, CRPF & ITBP...
but a plethora of organzations like BPRDA etc etc...


Lots of guys in mumbai and delhi have even attended classes for 2 months, they were even aware of this likely opening..

but Fauj was very co-operative towards its officers.. ( how , we all know )


Its a gr8 chance lost due to mismanagement, this exam is not like CDS ... someone can give based on GK..
Is tough...hope next year the policy will be clear..so that some people in OGs will go and do the nation proud !

YO's need IPS..
and IPS needs YOs of Fauj !

Jai Hind..

Is anyone planning to appear with this short 15 days notice ??

Anonymous said...

classes and coachings ws availible in delhi & bombay from last 2!/2 months...

my few frends from CISF & police were attending it,


fauj mei rehke kuch pata bhi nahi chalta.

lets try what we can do in last one week. leave bhi toh miln chahiye ?

Anonymous said...

what is fauj's official stand ?


are they going to allow or its just another waste of time?

heard , they hve sought explanations from various people who had applied online.. imagine the plight, if one appears for the exams !!!

Anonymous said...

one should not loose heart..... no matter what come we are still better off then offr of CPO AND STATE POLICE.rem org keep us busy with studies.Touch with books is a tool which can still with 7 days left can be used to exploit.
vedi-vini-vinci

Anonymous said...

Sir,
Here in the Civil Sector the short service commissioned officer(Non Pension Benefice r )who is joined in the security field, the rank decorated as an serving officer and the introduction in the document ion also an serving pro So I would like to up to my knowledge the rank devaluation out of the Indian Army field is as offence so kindly circulate the format throughout the head quarters.

Anonymous said...

any idea about the pattern of the exam guys ?
anyone/how many planning to appear for the exaam ?

Iam also thinking of giving exam but dnt know, have to tie up leave and other things.

what is fauj sayijng ? allowed or disallowwed ?

senors..plize guide.

amit said...

soooo much to study.10 din Purana saab washed out hai.kaisay hoga.any tips for final "assault"...

Anonymous said...

without any prapartions...

it is time-waste and legal hurdles from army.

13000 mei mera number kahan ayega re baba ?


those serious fr next year, buy/xerox notes of Rau study circle.. very gr8.

Anonymous said...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/Central-Administrative-Tribunal-stays-police-service-exam/articleshow/13144476.cms

Anonymous said...

Hi,

I am a released SS offr working in a private company. I filled up the online application, and called up UPSC asking about the proper channel through which the application has to be sent. The guy at UPSC straight away told me that it's not for people who left the army already. He confidently said that it's for those who are still in service specified in the advrtsmnt. Then there was a notification too on UPSC website on the same. So, I gave up, I din't send the print-out form with necy documents. But I came to know that some of my coursemates who are released SS officers received their admit cards and are writing the exams. What is happening with UPSC. I never thought UPSC could create such blunder and what a confusion...!

anonymous said...

any idea how many people actually appeared

Anonymous said...

5,648 is the figure which appeared all over India ...although not very reliable source.
Any ways.....

Anonymous said...

UPSC as policy have not debarred anyone from taking up the Exam.Even candidates who have not deposited hardcopy got their admit card.Friend,it seemed you have not checked the e-admit card from site.
Else you could have also appeared for the same.

Anonymous said...

By which date the service has to be 5 years ?By the last date of filling application or the date of joing the service should be 5 years?Please some one reply

Anonymous said...

dear major navdeep ,my point is not regarding ips exam .this is regarding the official website of BSF,where army ranks are further downgraded.till what time we will let ourself get insulted.can it be published on a official website.action must be taken fast and corrected.

Anonymous said...

Whatever . Now low & order situation is going to improve in states.
And revival of collapsed IPS cadre can be expected.

Anonymous said...

Army officers in the IPS , GOOD !
that will clean up the police service and make it a organisation that ACTUALLY WORKS , this is good way to BOOST a notoriously LAGGARD , UNPROFESSIONAL , INDISCIPLINED and THROUGHLY CORRUPT police infamous as CRIMINALS IN UNIFORM
By
denizen09@gmail.com

Anonymous said...

The results are out on UPSC website and schedule for Interview is also given all the best for who all have qualified
any body has passed !!

vijay said...

sir, its about eligibility for ips lce. I am retiring in july 13.can i be considered for the interview in case if i clear my preliminary exams. this year the results are publised in end jul. so next year i would have retired before the results..!

Anonymous said...

What's latest on the IPS LCE Exam? Updates please..

Anonymous said...

Sir.I am an ssc offr(10 years).Sir I have completed 5 yrs of service and looking fwd to appear for ias exam.Sir am I suppose to obtain any NOC from Army .If yes who will be giving it?.If not what is the legal method to obtain NOC?

Neeraj Khatri said...

Sir,
I am an ss officer having completed 06 yrs of service. i am aged 31 n half now. how can i apply n which route to follow. NOC has to be obtained before clearing exam or afterwards. The application will be sent via unit channel or through army Hqs.