tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post899744523665246886..comments2024-02-08T22:01:40.101+05:30Comments on Indian Military : Service Benefits and Issues: Misc. (Not a very long wait now !)Navdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-10271943375088815932011-06-06T07:41:30.559+05:302011-06-06T07:41:30.559+05:30Sir,
I am reemployed in Bank. It is told that MS...Sir,<br /> I am reemployed in Bank. It is told that MSP will not be counted for fixation of Pay. And subsequently DA on Pension is to be stopped, where as DA is also on MSP in pension. This the double loss of MSP and DA on it. If MSP is not counted for fixation then how DA on it can be stopped. Sir Please your comments and views.<br /><br />Iqbal Singh, Ex POR(Tac) Navyiqbalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08025262229670921647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-36754190787084252782009-11-30T22:14:24.941+05:302009-11-30T22:14:24.941+05:30With due respect I request your personal indulgenc...With due respect I request your personal indulgence on the subject.<br /><br />Some points are mentioned under, which is creating frustation in border security force:<br /><br />1. An officer in Border Security Force remains a Deputy commandant after putting in 15 to 16 years of service and officers in other central paramilitary organisation enrolled in the same year through same CPOs exam is either Second-in-command(2IC) or Commandant. However army officer becomes lieutenant colonel in 12 years and gets pay band 4 however BSFofficer is likely to become 2IC after putting in 17 to 18 yrs of service but he would remain in pay band 3.<br /><br />2. Army personnel posted anywhere like in Army HQ Delhi are authorised full 60 days of annual leave, 28 days of casual leave and ration money. However personnel posted in BSF HQ at places like Bandipur etc in Jammu and Kashmir and similar places in northeast get only 30 days of annual leave, 08 days of casual leave and no ration money.<br /><br />Now few questions that BSF personnel are generally asking but not getting the satisfactory replies is causing frustration in them.<br /><br />1 Are we not staying away from our families?<br />2 Do we require lesser days of leave to spend time with our family?<br />3 The courses in BSF are like Army courses and the course covers conventional war subjects to give support to Army but still, why are we not at par with army ?<br />4 Our BSF act and rule is carbon copy of Army act and rule which says BSF is an armed force but why are we not considered as an armed force?<br />5 BSF personnel do not have any alternate tenure of peace and field like Army personnel and remain in Indian borders or line of control during their full service period then why our allowances are less than army personnel?<br />6 In all the places of militancy and line of control BSF units are under the operational command of Army Brigades doing the same task like Army then why BSF is not at par with Army where BSF constable is junior after putting in 20 years of service to an army lance naik who has put in 7 to 8 years of service?<br />7 Earlier the Identity of a BSF personnel in their villages was of a "Fauzi" and now they are neither fauzi nor police. Why this tragedy?sureshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08869219167939046114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-87603408599615234852009-01-09T22:34:00.000+05:302009-01-09T22:34:00.000+05:30Dear Maj Navdeep,Do you have any information on th...Dear Maj Navdeep,<BR/>Do you have any information on the fixation of pay & allces of RE-EMPLOYED OFFICERS, who were in service, as on 01 Jan 2006.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04793259537953562930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-88191601648043655992009-01-06T14:47:00.000+05:302009-01-06T14:47:00.000+05:30DA IS NOT BEING GIVEN ON MSP DESPITE BEING STATED ...DA IS NOT BEING GIVEN ON MSP DESPITE BEING STATED SO. ON TALKING TO THE AAO AT CDA HE HAS CATEGORICALLY STATED THAT NO SUCH ORDERS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED.Brar'shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05619186657594656184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-43631053857551948962008-12-31T20:35:00.000+05:302008-12-31T20:35:00.000+05:30Dear Major Sab,Your blog is completely dedicated t...Dear Major Sab,<BR/>Your blog is completely dedicated to the Officers. You have totally ignored the so called Sepoys (your Batman, Your orderly)Naiks, Havildars and ofcourse your pet JCOs., and their problems. Why because they cannot understand english and your blog. Please remember that along with one Major one Havildar also was killed by the terrorists in the Mumbai attacks. One Sepoy suleiman Khan is fasting unto death in Jantar Mantar Delhi for the fast 13 days. There is no mention in your blog. There are 5 exsm. including one Major fasting unto death. The demand is One Rank One Pension., for all irrespective of the date of retirement. Please give some life to the dying PBOR AND THEIR FAMILIES. WE TOO WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR DEMAND OF IMPROVEMENT IN PENSION. THE 6TH CPC HAD RECOMMENDED A PENSION OF RS.4800 TO A SEPOY AND RECOMMENDED ONLY RS.4100 TO A HAVILDAR. THERE IS NO BODY TO CRY FOR OUR DEMAND. PLEASE REMEMBER THE PBOR ALSO. WE ARE ALSO READING YOUR BLOG. WE CAN ALSO UNDERSTAND ENGLISH.<BR/>WITH KIND REGARDS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-70238856777893256932008-12-31T07:37:00.000+05:302008-12-31T07:37:00.000+05:30Please read defence personnel for defence persona...Please read defence personnel for defence personal in the above stated comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-67989203690812401202008-12-31T07:31:00.000+05:302008-12-31T07:31:00.000+05:30I would rather term this indecisive behaviour of t...I would rather term this indecisive behaviour of the so called political leaders as well as bureaucrates as sheer APATHY & PROCRASTINATION.<BR/>It is this attitude that will cause serious repercussions in the minds of the concerned defence personal.One is utterly dismayed at the avoidable delay in issue of suitable instructions to remove all doubts/apprehensions of the affected .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-82184587601500158832008-12-30T22:22:00.000+05:302008-12-30T22:22:00.000+05:30I wonder what is holding up official announcement ...I wonder what is holding up official announcement of the GOM decisions even now! Any idea, Major Navdeep?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-73977071122789452482008-12-30T18:17:00.000+05:302008-12-30T18:17:00.000+05:30suno suno thakur ne hizro ki fauz banayi hai,ye lo...suno suno thakur ne hizro ki fauz banayi hai,ye log kya kar liye aur kya karengeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-70721109167837317302008-12-29T17:06:00.000+05:302008-12-29T17:06:00.000+05:30Dear Ajay at December 28, 2008 8:08 PM and anonymo...Dear Ajay at December 28, 2008 8:08 PM and anonymous at December 28,2008 11:16 PM.What warrior said at December 28, 2008 9:30 PM<BR/>is the correct way of taking decision to exercise the option asked by the CDA.<BR/><BR/>For example <BR/><BR/>I was Major as on 01 Jan 2006 and promoted to Lt Col on 17 Apr 2006.My pay will be fixed as given under ‘Apr 2006’ if I opt for fixation of pay wef date of promotion, else it will automatically be fixed by the CDA as given under ‘Jan 06’:-<BR/><BR/> Jan-06 <BR/>Basic Pay- 12250 <BR/>Rank Pay- 1200 <BR/>DP - 6725 <BR/>Total - 20175 <BR/>DA 24 % - 4842 <BR/>Total - 25017 <BR/>Rounded off - 25020 <BR/>Grade Pay(GP)- 6600 <BR/>G/Total - 31620 <BR/><BR/><BR/> Apr-06<BR/>Basic Pay- 13500<BR/>Rank Pay- 1600<BR/>DP - 7550<BR/>Total - 22650<BR/>DA 24 % - 5436<BR/>Total - 28086<BR/>Rounded off- 28090<BR/>Grade Pay(GP)- 7600<BR/>G/Total - 35690<BR/><BR/><BR/>Suppose if I don't opt for fixation of pay wef date of promotion on 17 Apr 06, what will be my pay on the date promotion?.<BR/>Answer is - Maj pay fixed on 01 Jan 06 + one increment@3% on Maj pay fixed and the grade pay of Maj (25020+6600=31620) + Grade pay applicable to Lt Col(7600) on promotion as given below:-<BR/><BR/>Pay fixed on <BR/>01 Jan 06 - 25020 <BR/> <BR/>Increment - 950 <BR/>Grade Pay - 7600 <BR/> <BR/>Pay on <BR/>17 Apr 06- 33570<BR/> <BR/> <BR/>If I opt for fixation from the date of Promotion, my pay on 17 Apr 06 will be Rs 35690/- as explained above under ‘Apr 06’. Thus there is an increase of Rs 2120/-per month(35690-33570)from 17 Apr 2006 onwards in my case. Since I have maximum portion of (ie 31.5 Months from 17 Apr 06 to Nov 08) after the promotion during the arrears period (01 Jan 06 to Nov08) it very well suits me. So I am ready to loose the arrears of Rs 23111/- @ 6603/-PM(New pay fixed(31620)-old scale drawn(25017))for the minimum period of three and a half month duration.(ie 01 Jan 2006 to 16 Apr 2006) to avoid the subsequent loss of Rs 66780/- @ Rs 2120/-PM for 33.5 Months).Thus the net gain will be approx 66780-23111=43669/- by exercising the option for fixation from the date of promotion. The arrears I have calculated is approx as I have not taken in to account the subsequent increment on 01 Jul 07 and 01 Jul 08. One has to carefully workout his arrears by both the way (From 01 Jan 06 as well as from the date of promotion) before exercising the option. <BR/><BR/>Once the placing of Lt Col into PB 4 is officially notified, one can opt for fixation of pay from 01 Jan 2006 irrespective of his date of promotion to Lt Col since he will be placed into higher Pay Band and his pay will be steeped up to the minimum of PB-4 scale(Rs 37400) from the date of promotion.<BR/><BR/>I think one has to exercise the option within three months from the date of issue of orders by the Govt. In our case it may be from the date of issue Army instructions. In case of any subsequent orders on further revision(ie Lt Col into PB-4) the option may be exercised within three months from the date of such orders. <BR/><BR/>May I request Maj Navdeep or any one to help us if any error is noticed in this comment.<BR/><BR/>Thank you all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-27832248821220061462008-12-28T23:16:00.000+05:302008-12-28T23:16:00.000+05:30Can anyone clarify the two option to be given to C...Can anyone clarify the two option to be given to CDA(O) for fixation of pay i.e wef 01Jan06/From the date of Promotion for Lt Cols ?? What option to be given for Lt Cols promoted in AVSC I ??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-81142534664778251902008-12-28T21:30:00.000+05:302008-12-28T21:30:00.000+05:30dear Ajay option depends upon date of your promoti...dear Ajay option depends upon date of your promotion and outcome of pb4 for lt col if you are promoted to maj upto jun06 option II is better.Just calculate your revised basic pay as per both then apply the formula (BP of option II-I)xno of months for promotion to Lt Col now add the arrears of option II and then compare the resultant amount with option I arrears which ever is more should be your option.Although there are other parameters also but this solve your queryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-75295880174494057032008-12-28T20:08:00.000+05:302008-12-28T20:08:00.000+05:30Dear Maj NavdeepIf you can pls elaborate the two o...Dear Maj Navdeep<BR/>If you can pls elaborate the two option to be given to CDA(O) for fixation of pay i.e wef 01Jan06/From the date of Promotion. There is a considerable difference in amount between the two. Spoke to CDA about this but they are as clueless as our government. It would really be of great help to the affected officers as they would choose the right option getting maximum financial benefits. last date for giving the option is 10Jan09. <BR/>Warm Regards<BR/>Maj AjayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-15896034484582216872008-12-28T20:01:00.000+05:302008-12-28T20:01:00.000+05:30Even these core demands dont correct disparity. Wi...Even these core demands dont correct disparity. Without Rank Pay to be used for fixation of seniority, Col's, Brigs's, Captains, Majors, Lieutenants, and Lt.Cols have all been screwed. <BR/><BR/>The only answer:<BR/><BR/>1. Lt-> JTS<BR/>2. Capt -> STS<BR/>3. Major-> JAG<BR/>4. Lt Col->NFSG<BR/>5. Col _> Jt Secy<BR/>6. Brig-> Addl Secy<BR/>7. Maj Gen-> HAG+<BR/>8. Lt GEN-> Secy<BR/>9. Army Cdr -> Cab Secy<BR/>10. Full General -> A constitutionally protected post, above Cab SecyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-24327133224515076822008-12-28T18:54:00.000+05:302008-12-28T18:54:00.000+05:30Read with a critical mind but understand deterranc...Read with a critical mind but understand deterrance aspect as military men:<BR/><BR/>[http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/story.aspx?Title=A+strategy+to+deter+terrorism&artid=|Ci|Xx68mic=&SectionID=XVSZ2Fy6Gzo=&MainSectionID=oHSKVfNWYm0=&SectionName=m3GntEw72ik=&SEO=Subramanian%20Swamy,%20TALIBAN,%20WAR,%20PAKISTAN,%20ARMY,%20w]<BR/><BR/>RegardsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-23637423949411974612008-12-28T18:22:00.000+05:302008-12-28T18:22:00.000+05:30It is a misnomer to state that MSP is to compensat...It is a misnomer to state that MSP is to compensate for difficult life of the armed forces. In my view, it is to compensate for the stringent Air Force/ Army/ Navy Act (where a person can be executed, put behind bars, has restricted fundamental rights, No right to stop working beyond 42 Hrs in a week etc) applicable on us vis-a-vis Civilian Conduct Rules plus to compensate for the early retirement of 80% of officers vis-a-vis civilian Govt Servants. If parity can't be ensured then shouldn't armed forces personnel be subjected to an act more linient than the Civilian Conduct Rules and retirement age 65 yrs minus MSP? Just a thought for scrutiny.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-48231471321043487082008-12-28T16:23:00.000+05:302008-12-28T16:23:00.000+05:30If you want to know why the civil military relatio...If you want to know why the civil military relationship is in a tailspin, let us examine the fall in standards in the civil services. Once upon a time, the people who aspired to the civil services were people of integrity and capability. Now.....<BR/><BR/>http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage ... corruption<BR/><BR/><BR/>[quote]<BR/><BR/>For babus, shoplifting worse than corruption<BR/><BR/><BR/>Aloke Tikku , Hindustan Times<BR/>Email Author<BR/>New Delhi, December 28, 2008<BR/>First Published: 00:45 IST(28/12/2008)<BR/><BR/><BR/>What is the yardstick for assessing the gravity of misdemeanours committed by bureaucrats? The Union Public Service Commission (UPSC) has made recommendations in individual cases, but the government hasn’t always followed its advice.<BR/><BR/>For instance, according to a report tabled in Parliament last week,[b] a woman Indian Administrative Service (IAS) officer was retired for shoplifting at London department store Marks & Spencer a decade ago.[/b] But other officers accused of corrupt practices have got away with milder punishments.<BR/><BR/>[b]The Uttar Pradesh cadre officer — part of an official delegation to Britain — was caught stealing two cashmere jumpers and a jacket. On the advice of a lawyer arranged by the high commission, she pleaded guilty and paid a fine of £150 (about Rs 11,000, as per current rates) imposed by the Magistrate Court of Marlborough Street.[/b]<BR/><BR/>The inquiry she faced back home exonerated her, but the red-faced government decided to make an example out of her.<BR/><BR/>[b]While the UPSC agreed her conduct was unbecoming of an IAS officer, it said compulsory retirement was too harsh a punishment. It recommended that her salary be reduced in two stages over two years.[/b]<BR/><BR/>The government, however, told Parliament last week that the misconduct made her retention “untenable and the penalty advised by the UPSC did not meet the ends of justice”.<BR/><BR/>[b]“Compulsory retirement seems too severe for a silly act like shoplifting,” said a senior government official,[/b] “especially when people who rob the exchequer go scot-free”.<BR/><BR/>[b]Like this senior diplomat posted as head of the chancery in Riyadh who reemployed his India-based domestic help but misreported facts by claiming $5,086 (Rs 2.5 lakh, as per today’s rates) as the help’s salary from the government.[/b]<BR/><BR/>The UPSC recommended compulsory retirement “at the very least” plus recovery of $5,086. The government, however, declined to accept the advice since the officer’s disciplinary authority only initiated proceedings for a minor penalty.<BR/><BR/>And then there was this IAS officer in West Bengal, who was let off with a “notional penalty of 5 per cent cut in pension” after an inquiry found he “failed to maintain absolute integrity”, acquiring assets worth Rs 7 lakh in excess of his known income.<BR/><BR/>(Officers’ names withheld by UPSC in all cases)<BR/>[/quote]<BR/><BR/>So an IAS officer is caught trying to steal some bum and tum tights from Marks and Spencers... should we really go so far as to fire her, this paper asks. Isnt it unfair, they say, to retire her, when an IFS officer can steal 5800$ from the govt as salary for a fake servant?<BR/><BR/>And when we have quotations from "senior government servants" suggesting that she should be let off, because shop-lifting is a "silly act", we see exactly how low standards have fallen in our civil services, and the reason for many of the ills in our governance setup today.<BR/><BR/>Maybe we shouldnt retire her. Maybe we should investigate what else she has stolen during her illustrious career. <BR/><BR/>At least other countries magistrates have the sense to convict thieves, even though in our country the stores owners would have just considered it a hafta.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-91610365567943240972008-12-28T12:44:00.000+05:302008-12-28T12:44:00.000+05:30I am glad that the LeT finally got its act togethe...I am glad that the LeT finally got its act together to kill the so called elite of this country in Mumbai,(at least some of them) having missed out the manmohans and sonias at the parliament. I now feel sorry for having needlessly and misguidedly killed LeT sods for the last 10 years and lost many good officers and men. But then we were living in a fools paradise that this pay commission rudely awoke me from. If the babu-neta want gladiators instead of soldiers, so be it. They are ready to pay good money for my blood but my living flesh is not good enough for parity, is it?<BR/>Well, I swear, for what its worth, in memory of all my comrades, never to kill or contribute to kill another militant again.<BR/>I wish they carry out another professional attack but spare the poor. It will truly gladden my heart if they can do so and kill only the babus and the netas.<BR/>Also, the NSG CO ought to be sacked for losing an officer and an NCO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-19229001759359240722008-12-28T12:25:00.000+05:302008-12-28T12:25:00.000+05:30The rumours on MSP have a basis in that the CDAO i...The rumours on MSP have a basis in that the CDAO is not giving any DA on MSP. Has the issue been clarified to the CDA O by ministry or anyone? Is there any official communication on this ?ipsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-84649256040044245422008-12-28T09:24:00.000+05:302008-12-28T09:24:00.000+05:30CDAO has mentioned in the site about air travel un...CDAO has mentioned in the site about air travel under LTC80 scheme. but is there any AO given? what'll b the procedure to avail it?zakshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16866731377805829859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-69081843736456435602008-12-28T09:19:00.000+05:302008-12-28T09:19:00.000+05:30dear sirwhats about CI ops allowance etc for the s...dear sir<BR/>whats about CI ops allowance etc for the serving offrs already in CI ops areas? do we need to publish part2 order for that?<BR/>in the salary fr dec, its not been increased as per 6PC!zakshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16866731377805829859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-35357271221107220142008-12-28T08:22:00.000+05:302008-12-28T08:22:00.000+05:30I do not find any convincing reason for the delay ...I do not find any convincing reason for the delay involved in the submission of GOM report to the PM.Why should it take more than 3 months in sorting out the issues involved ?<BR/>Now the PM is further postponing the final decision on this report.<BR/>Each passing day is adding not only speculation but also frustration amongst the affected personnel by losing faith in the country's political leadership.<BR/>As it stands today ,the politicians are the most lowly esteemed class in our society amongst the common man,which had of course excluded the defence forces who were insulated class of its own repute.<BR/>6th Pay commission's manipulation by the bureaucracy has now created a deep mistrust between the politicians & defence forces ,besides a hostile atmosphere between variuos elements of civil services & military.Unfortunately it is fraught with grave consequences for the proper governance of the country ,which probably is not being realized by the Government.<BR/>Whatever be the decision on the demands of the defence forces , it is rather too late now to remove the malaise that has been brought in by the political & bureaocracy combine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-22735565767342855222008-12-28T07:06:00.000+05:302008-12-28T07:06:00.000+05:30Kautilya's sagely advice to Chandragupta on the Ma...Kautilya's sagely advice to Chandragupta on the Mauryan Soldier.<BR/><BR/>"Pataliputra rests each night in peaceful comfort, O King, secure in the belief that the distant borders of Magadha are inviolate and the interiors are safe and secure, thanks only to the Mauryan Army standing vigil with naked swords and eyes peeled for action, day and night, in weather fair and foul, all eight praharas (round the clock), quite unmindful of personal discomfort and hardship, all through the year, year after year.<BR/><BR/>To this man, O Rajadhiraja, you owe a debt: please, therefore, see to it, suo motu, that the soldier continuously gets his dues in every form and respect, be they his needs or his wants, for he is not likely to ask for them himself.<BR/><BR/>The day the soldier has to demand his dues will be a sad day for Magadha; for then, on that day, you will have lost all moral sanction to be King!"Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17872550419917483408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-92049774995088847172008-12-27T23:06:00.000+05:302008-12-27T23:06:00.000+05:30Dear Navdeep kudos to you for the good work you ar...Dear Navdeep<BR/><BR/> kudos to you for the good work you are doing.please respond to....<BR/><BR/>1. why the forum is so silent about the plight of army doctors? <BR/>2. Are AMC doctors at par with the recommendations made for other central govt doctorsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-32633185326568441772008-12-27T21:20:00.000+05:302008-12-27T21:20:00.000+05:30Dear Navdeep,Could you please clarify on the trave...Dear Navdeep,<BR/>Could you please clarify on the travel entitlements of an offr on leave. (ACI/ ACI or Air/ ACII till Lt Col, as hitherto before)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com