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Can somebody clarify if during re emp one is downg...

2012-01-16T10:37:35.498+05:30

Can somebody clarify if during re emp one is downgraded to category, is the disability pension allowed or not. If yes, how is that added to original PPO. Anonymous

Thanks Dhanapalan, what you said are the realities...

2012-01-14T10:37:15.573+05:30

Thanks Dhanapalan, what you said are the realities and truth. The first enemy of ESM are service HQs where the in uniform officers do not take stand aginst the civilan babus dictate/interpretations. Recently I met a fauji Dir Pay & Allownace to know his view/interpretation of particular pension regulations which have been the cause of denial of pension to many and shocking was that he called a civilian clerk to explain the applicability of the relevant regulations, for which he has been signing court affidavit without understanding the implications. what law provides has been denied by our uniformed officers sitting in places of authority. my humble prayer to all those faujis is to please do not deny what is given by law to your fauji brother/sister. read the orders/regulations themseleves and apply mind before signing on letters/reply placed by civilian babus, who are more loyal to the babus at ministries(MoD/Fin)for obvious reasons.

Major AK Dhanapalan.. IT IS NOT A SURPRISE FOR ME,...

2012-01-13T22:47:27.894+05:30

Major AK Dhanapalan..
IT IS NOT A SURPRISE FOR ME, BECAUSE THIS KIND OF
NON-SENSE WAS HAPPENING IN THE PAST. NOW THIS
HAS BEEN NOTICED BY SOME ONE AND THAT TOO WE
HAVE THE FACILITY FOR QUICK COMMUNICATION.
How many of us had the opportunity to see the Pension
Reg, leave aside reading it,- may be some Record Officer!
Most of the Rules, Regulations, Orders, Instructions are cooked
Like this only and issued under the label of Army Instructions
(Prefixing “ARMY”) so that it is taken as a bible by every one
Without asking any question.!!! The interpretations of the audit
are also imposed on this.. IT IS A FACT, most of us may not agree
this out of shame!
Even if it is brought to the notice of some senior officer, he has no
Time or do not want to take “Panka”. Look at the case of “RANK PAY”
This was brought to the notice of the then Army Chief-GEN SUNDERJI”
Personally by me, but he was not prepared to accept it from a” Captain”.
I am sorry, am little harsh, but fact is fact.
This is mainly because of non-accountability, answerable to none!
We have no trade union for a collective bargaining, the Service HQs
Are also incapable of looking after the interest of serving and retired Armed
Forces Personnel, A number of associations all over the country could do
Nothing nor can do because they have NO capability to bring the Gov
Functioning to a standstill like any other politically backed unions.
In the present situation the Service HQs should suggest for trade unions/
Associations in the Armed Forces also like any other org including POLICE
So that the Armed Forces Personnel also can look after their service interest.
IT IS HIGH TIME TO AMEND THE ARMY ACT TO SUIT THE PRESENT SITUATION,
IN THE INTEREST OF SERVICE….Major AK Dhanapalan,Veteran.12/1/2012

DESW malafide is clear becuase the beneficial prov...

2012-01-12T17:08:50.204+05:30

DESW malafide is clear becuase the beneficial provisions have been deleted. how come the APR 2008 made effective 01 jun 2008 are made public in jan 2012, almost after four years of having it ready. hope good sence will prevail on DESW and APR 2008 will be kept pending for redrafting and final approval by the real authority on issuing pension regulations as indicated by Navdeep.

Dear major navdeep you have mentioned in your earl...

2012-01-11T21:55:47.439+05:30

Dear major navdeep
you have mentioned in your earlier post that no service reps were present in the final meeting. this shows how much interest service head quarters are having. further it is to be verified how all ex service man is affected badly with new regulations. the focus should be on this instead of blaming DSEW.
regards
babu

if the intention of DESW is honest and beneficial ...

2012-01-11T11:08:59.368+05:30

if the intention of DESW is honest and beneficial towards ESM then the new pension regulations should be for the time being taken as draft only and should ask all the concerned and effected people and Navdeep to comment and suggest suitable corrections/amendments so that future litigation be avoided by all. Even the parliament ask for comments and suggetions before making any law / rule/regulations. But The problem is the usurping of the law making powers by the babus and no one to stop them. babus create problem and citizen to suffer and nothing happens to babus for his unauthorised and mal fide act. I under stand the 33 yrs service sptipulation and rank weightage has been removed by 6th CPC and letter was issued by the MoD that for full pension 33 yrs condition was deleted and one needed only 20 yrs service for full pension. But i understand again 33 yrs stipulation and weightage has been included in the 2008 regulations. therefore a fauji will not get full pension at 20 yrs service as a civilian gets. as some body earlier said we should think filing a statutory complaint against the babus for fraudalantly ommitting and supressing the law/regulations and causing injury to poor ESM .

i am sure most of the people are not knowing here ...

2012-01-11T10:41:21.199+05:30

i am sure most of the people are not knowing here who is the competent authority . maj navdeep has said something does not mean everybody start jumping . it is his own interpretation . best way is ask the DESW factual position or the MOD , they will give an official response . let us use the RTI . i know we are all hot blodded people , but let us understand the situation in correct perspective .

An entity without authority issuing Army Regulatio...

2012-01-11T10:06:10.867+05:30

An entity without authority issuing Army Regulations (Pensions) is very disturbing.

What is happening in our country? Days are not far when every P a t w a r i will issue Regulations for the Armed Services and the veterans.

Few clerks and accountants in DESW have elevated themselves as policy makers, instead of doing their job of accounting and maintaining records of veterans in accordance with the policy promulgated by those mandated in accordance with the Law. The very recent tendency of auditors, accountants and clerks to ignore their mandated work and assume role of policy makers and sanctioning authorities is not confined to any single Department and is a sign of lack of proper leadership in the country.

this is yet another mistake by so called lawmaker ...

2012-01-11T09:37:05.350+05:30

this is yet another mistake by so called lawmaker who is not suppose to call shots in the case that is " mistakes pe mistakes" what one can do is simply forget it and file it. i feel xsm fraternity is tough enough to swallow this pill.
"satya mev jayate" god is great.

What is the exact financial implication of this on...

2012-01-10T23:03:05.109+05:30

What is the exact financial implication of this on the pensioners of all vintage?

Going by such acts of all powerful executives the ...

2012-01-10T15:56:44.511+05:30

Going by such acts of all powerful executives the moral of Veterans and serving person is likely to be so badly affected that youngsters from coming generations will never think of getting into uniform.

Dear Rajeev Kumar ji Ostrich like approach doesn...

2012-01-10T08:58:47.136+05:30

Dear Rajeev Kumar ji Ostrich like approach doesn't help. The post itself is quite clear on legal status of this unilateral action of DESW. So why are you having doubts between "few mistakes" and "demeaning"? i is crystal clear what the aim of this step is, especially since it is taken in isolation. The whole concept is a mistake, not just few as you seem to understand. One could call it anomalous report if all stake holders had participated.

let us know the real issue involved here . by read...

2012-01-09T21:30:56.803+05:30

let us know the real issue involved here . by reading all comments we are just fighting a ghost . can any enlighten the mistakes or discrepancy etc . is it the issue of only few mistakes or deliberate attempt to demean AFs .

The problem with us ESMs is that we are:- (a)well ...

2012-01-09T21:05:27.582+05:30

The problem with us ESMs is that we are:-
(a)well and truly divided.
(b)in the majority ignorant
(c)a voter of no consequence.
Though knowledgeable people like Navdeep are working hammer and tongs, the system needs an unified response.

It is SAD state of affairs.No body appears to be b...

2012-01-09T20:29:45.020+05:30

It is SAD state of affairs.No body appears to be bothered much about ESM except some dedicated ppl like Navdeep.Atleast there is some one who guides us, because our own senior ppl are gutless and .......

GURDEEP SINGH
GROUP CAPTAIN (Retd )

Dear Maj, I am extremely surprised to see the comm...

2012-01-09T19:52:08.592+05:30

Dear Maj, I am extremely surprised to see the comments and feel very very sad state of affairs.
We still can't make out how the three service HQs are keeping quiet on this vital issue. Of course there is no wonder the DM may have signed on the dotted lines. or perhaps his mind is busy with the DOB issue.
ALL ESMs must fight unitedly over these regulations which have bben issued ad-hoc. and by lower staff.
NOW THE REAL GAME SHOULD START.

Navdeep - thanks for flagging the issue. Am sure n...

2012-01-09T18:22:19.137+05:30

Navdeep - thanks for flagging the issue. Am sure no one in the Service HQ has realized or raised the issue. What else do you expect, when the entire service HQ, particularly the AG's branch, is busy fighting for the COAS's age.

sir, where can we find and read the complete this ...

2012-01-09T14:08:44.161+05:30

sir, where can we find and read the complete this new/amended pension regulations 2008, so as to take neccessary/legal action against the DESW babus who have upsurp the power of Govt. of India who alone is the authority to amend the statutory regulations. what is the way out to teach an examplary lesson to the babus for making the citizen suffer loss due to his/her unathorised action/statement. For their illegal action a citizen has to run around pillar to post/courts to sort out the mess created by the babus. the babus must pay for his un authorised actions. Jago faujis jago.

what is the best way to get the new pension regula...

2012-01-09T13:58:42.782+05:30

what is the best way to get the new pension regulations 2008 be stayed and disciplinary action initiated agaist the babus who have drafted and approved these, under relevant service/condut rules and IPC. The DESW has fraudalantly forgotton/ ommitted that there exist equalent statutory navy pension regulations where no regulation can be amended without due process of law/regulation amending and each amendment has to go to the parliament for approval as provided by navy act. can we take the babus concerned to court for causing injury and not obeying the existing law/regulations. the pay commission can not amend a statutory regulations, as stated by the courts. please advise sir.

Bringing out an Regulation without the involvement...

2012-01-09T11:30:11.827+05:30

Bringing out an Regulation without the involvement of the stake holders needs to be looked into and challanged in the court so that it gets thrown out and not implemented.As brought by Navdeep DESW is not the competent authority to bring out these regulations.Let us file a PIL and get a stay order.

Dear Major Sir, It is a surprising news.When Mill...

2012-01-09T09:12:40.370+05:30

Dear Major Sir,

It is a surprising news.When Millions of veterans and their Families are eagarly waiting for a favourable result of OROP, the unfortunate new Regulation may disappoint them . We strongly express our discontent with this regulation.

Dear Major Sir, please give us some points of new regulation which affects our benefits.

Thank you Sir.
Sgt.S.Kanthiah, Exwel Trust
Titunelveli-Dist, TN.

1. IS there NO recourse to suffering the DEFICIENC...

2012-01-09T08:43:47.031+05:30

1. IS there NO recourse to suffering the DEFICIENCY of Service by the babus through their being RETARDED or MALAFIED

2. WHY are Servicemen & ESM allowing THEMSELVES to suffer BRAZEN DISCRIMINATION & INEQUALITY in LAW ?

Todays Servicemaen are tomorrows ESM.

One of the reasons for the teraing hurry may be th...

2012-01-09T07:15:03.327+05:30

One of the reasons for the teraing hurry may be the plethora of cases that pensioners are winning in various AFTs & Courts.May be it will be even quoted in the rank pay case (by the ever absent SG) ,coming up for final hearing on 20 Jan 2012

Amazing!DESW seems to be operating in some kind of...

2012-01-08T21:37:39.289+05:30

Amazing!DESW seems to be operating in some kind of an Ivory tower of it's own making.Millions of defence pensioners could be adversely impacted by such adhoc action.Even the most insignificant AI/NI has to be initiated by the concerned dte of the AHQ/NHQ,vetted at various levels,seen by the concerned FA's etc before it's promulgation.

Dushmans of Ex-Servicemen Welfare (DESW) at the...

2012-01-08T20:28:06.528+05:30
Dushmans of Ex-Servicemen Welfare (DESW) at their MEANEST BEST, so no surprises :(