tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post7777297062194058572..comments2024-02-08T22:01:40.101+05:30Comments on Indian Military : Service Benefits and Issues: United States Naval Academy Forrestal lecture – Robert M GatesNavdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-37413790076096979982010-05-07T21:26:19.836+05:302010-05-07T21:26:19.836+05:30Armed Forces are great - but we are a part of a gr...Armed Forces are great - but we are a part of a greater entity<br /><br /><br /><br />very well said . if we understand this 90% of our problems automatically get solved .i was looking for these words since long .FIGHTERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02263146352563937217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-9745424314555811732010-05-05T11:55:21.705+05:302010-05-05T11:55:21.705+05:30JB: Peace. Sorry if Ive given any sort of offence,...JB: Peace. Sorry if Ive given any sort of offence, not my intent. Just wanted to help, by illustrating examples of officers who have stood their ground, and flourished as well.<br /><br />Hanut Singh was a case in point, because he was principled to the point of being politically incorrect, and didnt give a damn what anyone thought. <br /><br />Ie, he was blunt to the point of recklessness. Yet, he rose inexorably.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-60267119167819289222010-05-05T07:35:25.917+05:302010-05-05T07:35:25.917+05:30Anonymous@10.09
The time has come to stop skirmis...Anonymous@10.09<br /><br />The time has come to stop skirmishing.<br /><br />Hope we can get together sometime and have a drink for indulging in such a pointless discussion.<br /><br />Serving army officer (3rd generation)<br /><br />My entire point in my comments on this blog is that we need to have a realistic and reasoned response to any occurrence which is sufficiently grounded so that we do not lose our perspective. Armed Forces are great - but we are a part of a greater entity.JB Singhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-1182474397862161112010-05-04T22:09:31.462+05:302010-05-04T22:09:31.462+05:30@JB:
Why are you getting so hot under the collar?...@JB:<br /><br />Why are you getting so hot under the collar? I made no personal remark? Merely asked what service you were from? How am I to know you are not from the BSF?<br /><br />Where did I say anything about the superiority of any fighting Arm? Anyway, how can you compare the BSF and the armoured corps? They are two completely different animals.<br /><br />What does the CRPF have to do with this discussion? The reasons for their losses notwithstanding, they are trying their best within their limited scope. <br /><br />But your high level of touchiness tells me that youre being a bit economical with the truth. Are you sure youre not a CPO officer, pretending to be from the Army?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-55918833234588010332010-05-04T16:03:15.255+05:302010-05-04T16:03:15.255+05:30Anonymous@10.59
Addendum:
I only hope Gen Hanut ...Anonymous@10.59<br /><br />Addendum:<br /><br />I only hope Gen Hanut allowed the same freedom to his Bde Cdrs !!JB Singhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-1994203912661903982010-05-04T15:49:14.160+05:302010-05-04T15:49:14.160+05:30Maj Navdeep,
Here is a Poem for the Soldier. Do a...Maj Navdeep,<br /><br />Here is a Poem for the Soldier. Do as necessary on your Blog. I am not that Computer savvy.<br /><br />Thanks<br />Cdr Retd AK Anand<br /><br /><br />He was getting old and paunchy<br />And his hair was falling fast,<br />And he sat around the VFW,<br />Telling stories of the past.<br /><br />Of a war that he once fought in<br />And the deeds that he had done,<br />In his exploits with his buddies;<br />They were heroes, every one.<br /><br />And 'tho sometimes to his neighbors<br />His tales became a joke,<br />All his buddies listened quietly<br />For they knew where of he spoke.<br /><br />But we'll hear his tales no longer,<br />For ol' Bob has passed away,<br />And the world's a little poorer<br />For a Soldier died today.<br /><br />He won't be mourned by many,<br />Just his children and his wife.<br />For he lived an ordinary,<br />Very quiet sort of life.<br /><br />He held a job and raised a family,<br />Going quietly on his way;<br />And the world won't note his passing,<br />'Tho a Soldier died today.<br /><br />When politicians leave this earth,<br />Their bodies lie in state,<br />While thousands note their passing,<br />And proclaim that they were great.<br /><br />Papers tell of their life stories<br />From the time that they were young<br />But the passing of a Soldier<br />Goes unnoticed, and unsung.<br /><br />Is the greatest contribution<br />To the welfare of our land,<br />Some jerk who breaks his promise<br />And cons his fellow man?<br /><br />Or the ordinary fellow<br />Who in times of war and strife,<br />Goes off to serve his country<br />And offers up his life?<br /><br />The politician's stipend<br />And the style in which he lives,<br />Are often disproportionate,<br />To the service that he gives.<br /><br />While the ordinary Soldier,<br />Who offered up his all,<br />Is paid off with a medal<br />And perhaps a pension, small..<br /><br />It's so easy to forget them,<br />For it is so many times<br />That our Bobs and Jims and Johnnys,<br />Went to battle, but we know,<br /><br />It is not the politicians<br />With their compromise and ploys,<br />Who won for us the freedom<br />That our country now enjoys.<br /><br />Should you find yourself in danger,<br />With your enemies at hand,<br />Would you really want some cop-out,<br />With his ever waffling stand?<br /><br />Or would you want a Soldier--<br />His home, his country, his kin,<br />Just a common Soldier,<br />Who would fight until the end.<br /><br />He was just a common Soldier,<br />And his ranks are growing thin,<br />But his presence should remind us<br />We may need his like again.<br /><br />For when countries are in conflict,<br />We find the Soldier's part<br />Is to clean up all the troubles<br />That the politicians start.<br /><br />If we cannot do him honor<br />While he's here to hear the praise,<br />Then at least let's give him homage<br />At the ending of his days.<br /><br />Perhaps just a simple headline<br />In the paper that might say:<br />"OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING,<br />A SOLDIER DIED TODAY.."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-43545458298596798392010-05-04T14:26:39.145+05:302010-05-04T14:26:39.145+05:30Anonymous@10.59
This is turning out to be interes...Anonymous@10.59<br /><br />This is turning out to be interesting.<br /><br />1. Lt Gen Hanut was well within his rights to have said what he said. Formation Cdrs should allow lower cdrs complete autonomy in conducting operations, because they are ultimately responsible.<br /><br />2.Do you think that the BSF is'nt as good as the Armoured Corps? If yes - why? How many guys do the CRPF have to lose to prove a point to us.<br /><br />3. Am from the army. Certainly not the Armoured Corps!!<br /><br />Actually this discussion (and I am a party to it) illustrates how voicing opinions rapidly deteriorate into personal remarks. No wonder Sen wrote The Argumentative Indian - he had guys like us in mind !!!JB Singhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-63845870370190184912010-05-04T10:59:18.264+05:302010-05-04T10:59:18.264+05:30JB, General Hanut Singh is also famous for being t...JB, General Hanut Singh is also famous for being the officer who as GoC of The Armoured Div, when criticised on his planning, told the Corps Commander, "As long as I am the GoC, this is how I will run the battle, and that is the end of the matter". And then he just kept quiet. <br /><br />Tell me JB, what service are you from? BSF?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-53187283099624788512010-05-03T19:09:47.853+05:302010-05-03T19:09:47.853+05:30Anonymous@5.11
Embittered am certainly not. In fa...Anonymous@5.11<br /><br />Embittered am certainly not. In fact very pleased with the way things are going.<br /><br />I do not know what the WoP says on the topic, but Gen Hanut would have definitely met the PM, if he had so demanded. But in the context of the Forrestal lecture, this example certainly ain't a relevant! It was an absurd, unreasonable demand on the part of the Guv and the august personality had the sagacity to realise that he would'nt be the last man standing in a shootout. So he quietly gave in. Wrong context - as I said.<br />Field Marshall Maneckshaw's standing up to the then PM in 1971 would be the right example.JB Singhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-18597667451513134482010-05-03T17:12:39.308+05:302010-05-03T17:12:39.308+05:30JB Singh seems to be quite the maverick himself. I...JB Singh seems to be quite the maverick himself. In fact, a bit embittered. He certainly is nothing if not outspoken, albeit even if only on an anonymous forum. ;) <br /><br />There are thousands of examples of upright and frank officers, who spoke their mind, and yet flourished. Look to Lt Gen Hanut Singh, for an example of a man who always spoke his mind, and when needed, told his superiors to take a hike. He still made it to the Apex of the Army structure. Not by sycophancy. But by superhuman dedication to his chosen profession, and excellence in every field.<br /><br />In fact, he told the governor of Sikkim to take a hike, when he demanded that the GoC receive him on the tarmac at the airport. When the governor threatened to complain to Delhi once the telephone lines which had been knocked down by a storm were back up, he offered the governor the use of the Army network which was functioning fine. The governor went home quietly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-24255262778525221242010-05-03T07:00:05.063+05:302010-05-03T07:00:05.063+05:30This is plain soap box theatrics. There are a 100 ...This is plain soap box theatrics. There are a 100 reasons where a subordinates advice is rejected outright and as many more where one agrees with what ones superior says.<br />The examples quoted are exceptions - I think for every Maneckshaw there are 1000 officers who went home for speaking their mind.<br />But good stuff to motivate a passing out course. They will eventually see through it.JB Singhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-57086352755641229382010-05-03T05:38:07.813+05:302010-05-03T05:38:07.813+05:30thanks for sharing sir....since it is long...will ...thanks for sharing sir....since it is long...will read after PT!!!ANUPAM TIWARIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10596312328863610402noreply@blogger.com