tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post7288716469588724609..comments2024-02-08T22:01:40.101+05:30Comments on Indian Military : Service Benefits and Issues: Slip from the ladderNavdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-53320813389302833632016-06-03T05:05:39.400+05:302016-06-03T05:05:39.400+05:30I had discharge 4rm job after completing 10 yrs 11...I had discharge 4rm job after completing 10 yrs 11 month.can i applied for csd card and echs card.if yes how can i gain it & can i eligible for ex servicemen.my joining date 22nd jan 2004 and date of discharge 31st dec 2014.plz suggest me.i worried about it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12465146022239800996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-86062864348622815522014-03-03T22:04:16.992+05:302014-03-03T22:04:16.992+05:30I'm neither in Army nor in IPS, but regarding ...I'm neither in Army nor in IPS, but regarding the reduction in rank, I'd like to put forth some points. Pre-independence, Colonel level officer headed the police force of a whole state/province, but post-2006 Lt. General level officer is doing the same job. Since independence, population steadily increased so as the no. of police personnel in the state. I've read somewhere that there is a standard created by UN that no. of police personnel to be deployed in a state depends on its population. Also no. of laws/rules to be implemented/enforced has increased post-independence. Could it be the reason of the degradation of army rank OR up-gradation of police rank OR an effort to bring parity in workload of a Lt. General and a DGP. If I'm wrong, please correct me.<br />Thank you Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-71375459755612012202009-03-26T22:55:00.000+05:302009-03-26T22:55:00.000+05:30Every body can see what i said earlier. few guys l...Every body can see what i said earlier. few guys like chaterjee and company have already started thinking negative about services as we go overboard in criticising others rather than introspecting.Rajababuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02733255747637003342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-90283417900691297802009-03-26T06:41:00.000+05:302009-03-26T06:41:00.000+05:30i agree with chatterjee...sometimes i realise the ...i agree with chatterjee...<BR/><BR/>sometimes i realise the army is trying to hoodwink everyone while getting them in. It shows only the good ways of life but dosen't tell that offrs will be in field half the time...it tells u that ranks till Lt Col are assured and higher promotions are selection grade( like IAS/IPS)..but wont tell that how much percentage will make it to higher ranks....will tell u how much lve u r entitled to.. but wont tell that the lve is a priviledge and not something u can demand..<BR/><BR/>Understood any joining advertisement will contain only the good and never the bad parts.. but no other organisation disallows the person from quitting after he comes to know of the real facts after joining... also their is no way to protest as you are already under army act.....<BR/><BR/>I think , had this been a private company , someone would have sued these malpractises.... you cannot just give a rosy picture and then after recrutement tell that it was just a campaign and real life is different and after that dont allow to protest or quit........<BR/><BR/>I am not against the army. But the tendencies of malpractices in the army must be curbed. I request Maj Navdeep to give his views in this regard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-36404354626561885982009-03-26T01:32:00.000+05:302009-03-26T01:32:00.000+05:30The slip is well demonstrated. even a per of belo...The slip is well demonstrated. even a per of below ave vis can see<BR/>Now,having seen (ths to NAV);Yeah! Fauji has been down graded,at every stage &time by diverse app and methods.In the past this sort of analysis and comparision was not printed or presented or talked about.Many were ignorent/sleeping/indiifferent/passive/neglegent.....etc.<BR/>Now people are realising/awakening ..... of their RIGHTS.<BR/>SO KEEP WORKING AND STRUGGLING FOR U RTS OF RT PAY ,grade... MSP IS ADD FOR FAC X .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-74730291418561548222009-03-25T04:10:00.000+05:302009-03-25T04:10:00.000+05:30Dear kmpods,Was the DGP in OGs then probably it WA...Dear kmpods,<BR/>Was the DGP in OGs then probably it WAS the COAS n not the DGP of the state.<BR/><BR/>DocAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-50078071331976748302009-03-25T01:31:00.000+05:302009-03-25T01:31:00.000+05:30A kisan posed a Q to sarpanch-eh mil walon ka sarc...A kisan posed a Q to sarpanch-<BR/>eh mil walon ka sarcar se kya zagada hai ?<BR/>@ unka thanka aur penson sarkari babu se kam milta hai.<BR/><BR/>@ is HINUSTAN me unko , kuch spesal darja nahi diya ? jaise -minority religion ,SC ,ST, BC...<BR/>@ NAHI !<BR/>@ eh log jhenda nahi uthate?<BR/>@ Ab tak nahi uthaye.<BR/>@ ye bat hai.!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-50629842891100332172009-03-25T01:08:00.000+05:302009-03-25T01:08:00.000+05:30I wonder what’s wrong and most fauji’s seem to be ...I wonder what’s wrong and most fauji’s seem to be the crying lot..<BR/><BR/>Pals, i saw your latest ‘join the army’ ad on TV. You guys seem to be having a ball of life inside your all hidden cantonments !! golfing, horse riding, shooting, yachting, swimming, billiards… wow!! and yeah… also the great non-stop booooze and 5 star partying (i am told you get paid to get drunk and smoke off your lungs – Sh.. Shhh… Ramdos might be listening). <BR/><BR/>These ias n ips don’t ever get even close to that kind of royale life style. Now come on!! you all chose this royal lifestyle over better pay packets. You can’t have the cake and eat it too. You joined because you had it in you… I wonder where it’s gone now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-87419309637394065342009-03-25T00:19:00.000+05:302009-03-25T00:19:00.000+05:30Dear AllFirstly apologies. I was wrong regarding t...Dear All<BR/>Firstly apologies. I was wrong regarding the rank badges. it was a poor photograph in a news paper in which I wrongly interpreted an additional star after the Ashoka.<BR/>Secondly the point still remains. If the fact excites such violent outbursts then we need to introspect. We as a group are very status and rank conscious. In any one to one meeting it is quite amusing to see the discomfort between two officers till the relative seniority is established. Some of my hot headed colleagues are missing the woods for the trees. What I had said was that by comparing ourselves with everybody we are only degrading ourselves. Cant we exhibit more maturity ?<BR/>Incidentally, Harry, it was the Jawan who said Brig sahab wants to meet the CO. <BR/>And Also the Paramilitary DIG has equal no of troops (even if PMF) under him if not more. And his financial powers etc are generally at the same scale. ....... I too seem to be joining the game.<BR/> <BR/>The initial issue was what Abhinav had said and the debate on the difference in Services and the work done by them. Somehow we have this great ability to look at every issue in a partisan manner. <BR/>I would also like to higlight one sentence written by Abhinav " For all of us in uniform, pride in our respective institutions is essential for organizational effectiveness, but it cannot be based on contempt for other institutions that are just as essential to a healthy nation". <BR/>We neeed to develop the healthy attitude that he is talking about. While I may not be in complete agreement with everything that Abhinav has said, We must appreciate the depth of his observations. And also if someone has chosen to comment adversely some amount of introspection is reqd. <BR/>Incidentally the previous blog was the first for me. I was pleased to see the response it has evoked. And now you have me hooked.<BR/> Regards to allkmpodshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13621597618437834698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-71584140293585287562009-03-25T00:09:00.000+05:302009-03-25T00:09:00.000+05:30Son to Dad:-DAD ! WHAT IS SCPC ? AND THIS FIGHTING...Son to Dad:-<BR/>DAD ! WHAT IS SCPC ? AND THIS FIGHTING ,IAS/IPS-MIL in TV prog?<BR/><BR/>Oh ! It is about grabbing of cake(NATIONAL)by IAS,IPS & politicians and not giving to mil.<BR/>*s-The MIL with all that takat and guns cannot grab their share of cake?<BR/>*d-You see,they have to stand at the borders and protect the (NATIONAL) cake from Pakistanis,Chinese,Bangladeshis &terrorists .Besides they are far away at borders on snow mountins and cake is cut at Delhi.<BR/><BR/>*s-bechera jawan & kisan do not get cake and ice cream ?<BR/><BR/>*d-they get dal:roti.<BR/><BR/>*s-Then I will go to IAS or IPS .<BR/><BR/>That is kahani of two steps slide on the ladder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-57060557283279053202009-03-24T21:55:00.000+05:302009-03-24T21:55:00.000+05:30And what about you people creating mess with promo...And what about you people creating mess with promotion and equivalency aspects of poor GREF cadre of Border Roads Organisaion. Kindly give up your pre-independance selfish mentality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-58525664391707006872009-03-24T20:02:00.000+05:302009-03-24T20:02:00.000+05:30@XYZ/MAPS..WHAT R THE QUALIFICATIONS OF "NETAS" AN...@XYZ/MAPS..<BR/><BR/>WHAT R THE QUALIFICATIONS OF "NETAS" AND WHO DOES THER POLICE VERIFICATIONS??? THIS ANSWERS ALL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-75653965183376482342009-03-24T18:29:00.000+05:302009-03-24T18:29:00.000+05:30annon/xyz@09.07Very well said. I think we need to ...annon/xyz@09.07<BR/>Very well said. I think we need to be very careful in expressing our views. This forum must not be allowed for sowing discontent amongst the armed fraternity. Please remember, this is not a close forum. So please take care of sensibilities of all specially our own comrades in armsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-26546860725381874542009-03-24T13:04:00.000+05:302009-03-24T13:04:00.000+05:30maj navdeep if we are compairing ourself with poli...maj navdeep if we are compairing ourself with police we are degrading our self but for comparision we must see how many generalin1937,47,67andsoon .similarly allother post alsoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-37326841268234602152009-03-24T11:58:00.000+05:302009-03-24T11:58:00.000+05:30Dear Maj Navdeep,Every where we have been seeing I...Dear Maj Navdeep,<BR/>Every where we have been seeing IAS/IPS bashing by most of us .One point which we seem to forget is that 6cpc had recommended pb3 upto Brig.But it was the shrewdness of IAS only that to get better benifits they changed the recommendations of 6cpc and brought in pb4 for their cadre for which pb3 was recommended. The overflow of this is that now lt col to brigs wheteher serving or retd also will get get the benifit of pb4. Can you imagine had these people accepted the recommendations of 6cpc then pb4 for lt col and beyond would have been a dream , to become reality in 7cpc or the new AF pay commission. <BR/>so as gentlemen let us not forget that they also have contributed to our cause though un-intentionally.<BR/><BR/>Thanks and regardsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-88464816919007171632009-03-24T08:42:00.000+05:302009-03-24T08:42:00.000+05:30Thanks to NAVDEEP for the relevent info.NOW THE IS...Thanks to NAVDEEP for the relevent info.<BR/>NOW THE ISSUE IS - THE SLIP-ITS EXTENT AND DEGREE.<BR/>So,instead getting into wasteful activity of self inflicting and internal criticism , do look fwd in the direction to correct and rectify the slip.<BR/>This has to be done by diverse methods and acts/activities by everybody effected.You dont expect some body to do every thing and give it in your hand ;like....<BR/><BR/>YOU HAVE TO DERIVE YOUR RIGHTFUL PARITY.SO, PLEASE DO ....SOMETHING YOURSELF ALSO INSTEAD CRITICISM OR ASKING NAVDEEP TO WRITE MORE.<BR/><BR/>Exercise your mental faculties in the right direction and some action individually and in larger numbers.Mere pleading/seeking/crying....etc would not yield. YOU HAVE TO SUPPLEMENT BY MORE ACTIVE WAYS.<BR/>If the persons effected say they dont know ;what to do ? ;then you dont deserve.<BR/>Therefore,do act/action. Many comments are ....bbb.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-40588915952044051062009-03-24T00:56:00.000+05:302009-03-24T00:56:00.000+05:30I definitely agree with Mr XYZ. How many of us hav...I definitely agree with Mr XYZ. How many of us have work profile that matches with our eduction background. I dont think more than 25%. Balance 75% have work profile totally different from what they studied. Its what you have gained from your experience , helps you in performing higher duties. So even if a jawan with 10th as educational qualification has gained enough from his experiece to handle work of higher caliber, there is no harm in taking him to any heights. Those who dont agree with me are probably the one who feel experience comes with number of years. ( and not what u gained in those years)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-27246957521764219822009-03-24T00:27:00.000+05:302009-03-24T00:27:00.000+05:30Dear Sirs,I have full respect for top brass of IAS...Dear Sirs,<BR/><BR/>I have full respect for top brass of IAS and IPS cadres for what they have achieved...Over last 60 years plus they have been able to elevate themselves that shows their vision...everyone has the right to grow, isn'tit.... it is our poor leadership who can not think beyond 365 days... and the worst is, most of them still dont seem to have learnt...<BR/>Regards<BR/>Young OfficerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-50032018139666630742009-03-23T22:43:00.000+05:302009-03-23T22:43:00.000+05:30dear all including NavdeepPse do not compare other...dear all including Navdeep<BR/><BR/>Pse do not compare other services and degarde ourselves. we should silently work behind the scenes like the IAS and IPS and get the required benefits without much public outcry. the more we cry in public domain, the more we are regarded as weak kneed/helpless and branded cribbers. I hope sense prevails.<BR/><BR/>By the way Harry welcome to blogging!!Rajababuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02733255747637003342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-9110508070546900972009-03-23T21:07:00.000+05:302009-03-23T21:07:00.000+05:30Dear Maj Navdeep Sir,With due regards to the utter...Dear Maj Navdeep Sir,<BR/><BR/>With due regards to the utterly selfless and yeoman service you are rendering to the OG fraternity, someone smelling of arrogance and unfathomable jealousy against his own meritorious Jawans has, out of his shallow head, salted wounds and unknown pains, gone on to the extent of commenting elsewhere in this blog that tenth pass jawans are being allowed to rise to the rank of Brigadier. He also felt as to how a jawan could transform himself to behave like and discharge the functions of a Brigadier. In fact he is either unaware or stayed short of disseminating to the readers that worthy jawans have risen, are rising and will rise from the ranks even to Generals/Admirals/Air Mshls let alone Brigs, Cols et al. As for their educational qualifications, he must be aware by now that innumerable strength of Jawans (sailors and airmen included) are today better qualified than most officers in the forces with MBA, LLM, LLB, MCA, MPhil and such other degrees and Graduate jawans are again countless like stars in the sky - all at their own expense and initiative. He may be aware that until not very long ago NDA entry was meant for 10th pass and many of general officers still in service hold that basic qualification insofar as civil qualification is concerned. It is a different matter altogether that they were awarded B.Sc NDA on passing out. Most jawans have been joining after passing Intermediate with high percentage, if not graduation. They also undergo various training courses later that are affiliated to and recognised by various prestigious universities. We all know that many great men have studied under street lights and done wonders in their lives. Let us not start axing our own legs. <BR/><BR/>With high regards and apologies. xyzAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-7142159529104037592009-03-23T20:14:00.000+05:302009-03-23T20:14:00.000+05:30@ TOPGUNSir, we are NOT talking about private secu...@ TOPGUN<BR/><BR/>Sir, we are NOT talking about private security here. What they wear is irrelevant, some of them even wear crossed baton and sword!! its for the Govt to pass legislation in this regard i.e to prevent misuse of uniform and badges of rank by private security agencies! I am only talking of other Central Govt agencies like State Police, CPOs etc. That still remains a sore point, you may ignore it at your own peril (some of our seniors did and the results are before us now) !!<BR/><BR/>I rest my case.Harryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10192867696697852328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-21934621046629352252009-03-23T18:23:00.000+05:302009-03-23T18:23:00.000+05:30@Harry and Digvijay, i am in total support of KMPo...@Harry and Digvijay,<BR/> i am in total support of KMPods your deeds speaks more then what you are putting on your shoulders... if you compare these things than what about the private security chap who is standing on gate and checking people is putting on the rank badges equalent to capt or maj what do you think that we degraded capt or maj.<BR/>It is infact that they are always aspining to be in that rank which they can never achieve that rank in life time... so they are feeling happy by putting these ranks .. simiarly police alway have infiriority complex so let them what s ever they wear.... " Deads always speek louder then Dikhawa"<BR/>thanksTOP GUNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07152474529168834868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-8612012870889486352009-03-23T18:20:00.000+05:302009-03-23T18:20:00.000+05:30@all.....1. we all crying degradation-degradation ...@all.....<BR/><BR/>1. we all crying degradation-degradation of ranks.<BR/>2. this is bcoz pay has been directly linked with rank.<BR/>3. delink the two after that even a major with 16 yrs of service drawing grade pay of 10000/- can be camp comdt.<BR/>4. after this the rank obssessed INDIAN ARMY OFFRs WILL NOT VE ANY PROBLEM.<BR/><BR/>there is no need for babus to degrade us , v capable to doing it our self, as v ve done in past.<BR/><BR/>i remember a senior offr once said col at 26yrs should not be allowed to wear collar dogs or be given the blue ones to wear.!!!! this is our basic problem and many senior who happen to be decision makers suffer from such incurable diseases.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-87215171653600385122009-03-23T18:19:00.000+05:302009-03-23T18:19:00.000+05:30Read this and make your own conclusions.EC commiss...Read this and make your own conclusions.EC commissioned officers were required to go through SSB once again after 5 years service in order to get permanant commission.Those who were "selected" served as regular officers and retired mostly as Majors at the age of 50 years.Only a miniscule No made it to Colonels rank.Those who Were "rejected" were luckier indeed.Many from among those rejected by Army joined BSF and rose to the ranks of IG/DIG. Higher appoints in BSF were offered to army before these being given to IPS officers.Army brass for reasons best known to them did not accept the offer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-4940126645970987622009-03-23T16:22:00.000+05:302009-03-23T16:22:00.000+05:30@ Anonymousthere is no denying that a maj gen cann...@ Anonymous<BR/><BR/>there is no denying that a maj gen cannot be a camp comdt... <BR/><BR/>Who knows?!! There were times when a Camp Comdt with 80 men placed under him, was a Lt/Capt. Now the same job is performed by a Full Col albiet of the 'TS' variety. And mind you, he is still not the OC Troops which is performed by Dy Cdr of the 'Selected' variety.<BR/><BR/>Degradation has been all around!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com