tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post6536254473096115286..comments2024-02-08T22:01:40.101+05:30Comments on Indian Military : Service Benefits and Issues: Shun this negativityNavdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-59652173763529814172009-11-06T16:35:51.929+05:302009-11-06T16:35:51.929+05:30Its a usefull comment. Dear Navdeep sir, will it ...Its a usefull comment. Dear Navdeep sir, will it be considered and brought before the DEfence ministry. If so it will be helpfull for lot of ex soldiers.amarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03770114793683893869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-3356320137451894872009-11-06T11:39:31.282+05:302009-11-06T11:39:31.282+05:30sir, this is a comment for the consideration of ho...sir, this is a comment for the consideration of hon'ble defence ministry. i like to submit that soldier are those who serving our country by staying away from parents. so during the period of their service,if they are getting some diseses either by due to the service or not due to the service if they are medivcally boarded out without any benifits it is quiet unacceptable. even the disease may not be due to the service it will not not be the person's fault too. after the dischrge the person's life will be too tougher, so hon'ble ministry should consider this seriously. because lots of family might be dependent on this soldier.so any soldier who are discharged from service due to medical problems may be attributable to service or not they should be given disability pension. word NANA is quiet illegal word because the person is fit during enrollment. if he get disease during his service either due to service or not it is attributable to service.so premedical checkup during recruitment should be taken seriously and after entering a person to service responsiblity of any disease occurs to the patient is service itself thanking you..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-17720917076844783342009-10-22T21:30:14.304+05:302009-10-22T21:30:14.304+05:30sir if voluntary retires are giving pension why no...sir if voluntary retires are giving pension why non voluntary retires are not giving disability pension by saying that the disability is NANA without proper justification.amarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03770114793683893869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-56592296552048357852009-10-22T21:24:27.994+05:302009-10-22T21:24:27.994+05:30dear sir, i like to say that any case who are medi...dear sir, i like to say that any case who are medically out from the defence forces are attributable to service and should be given disability pension. because all the defence personnel are medically fit during the time of enrollement.amarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03770114793683893869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-66899647451116668592009-04-21T14:39:00.000+05:302009-04-21T14:39:00.000+05:30an interesting read Navdeep. but u cant change Hum...an interesting read Navdeep. but u cant change Human behaviour and especially thinking of Indians. We are born with a negative mindset cos of the reasons which most of them will find out of track in the begining:-<br /><br /> our land is the land of plenty viz only population. so with limited resources that needs to be shared amongst a large populace, not very one gets the best. EDven though an individual is deserving the system is so corrupt and lopsided that the previlage to enjoy the resources is denied. this leads to heart burn, jealousy, djection, negativism etc.<br /><br />the same can be applied across the bord to various professions in this country. until a correction is given to the system the vicous cycle will keep happening and negativism will prevail.<br /><br />some corrective actions suggested:<br /><br />Equal opportunities<br />Freedom of work and dignity of labour<br />No comparisions of various trades and duties for compensation packages. The pay packages should be commensurate to the degree of importance and criticality of work performed.<br />Accountability and Responsibility to go hand in hand with power.<br /><br />These are some points i have. any takers!!!Rajababuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02733255747637003342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-39429278101995241322009-04-20T22:42:00.000+05:302009-04-20T22:42:00.000+05:30Dear Navdeep,
Kindly educate us on the issues pe...Dear Navdeep,<br /><br /> Kindly educate us on the issues pertaining to Col TS as brought out by anony 19 apr/10:11 pm.<br /><br /> For a change, this vital issue will take away the focus of the bloggers from pb 4 which in any case has been sorted out. The delay in implementation is causing negativity in some of the desperates.<br /><br /> Please also witre on implementation of uniform retirement age for all officers. I strongly beleive that no sooner the uniformity in retirement is brought out we would be heading for time scale Maj Gen rank and abolishing of permanently passed over system. This in turn would redress major grievance of service officers pertaining to parity with civilian Gp A officers. <br /><br /> Thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-56572069302254588632009-04-20T00:35:00.000+05:302009-04-20T00:35:00.000+05:30Please read this article http://www.hindustantimes...Please read this article http://www.hindustantimes.in/election09/storypage.aspx?id=4a882831-38b7-4ab3-8b6f-8b80d5c51344&category=Chunk-HT-UI-Elections-SectionPage-TopStoriesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-3532714635653893422009-04-20T00:02:00.000+05:302009-04-20T00:02:00.000+05:30dear anony @1:24 pm
maj gen is not after 27 years....dear anony @1:24 pm<br />maj gen is not after 27 years. It is brig. maj gen is after 29 years of service.pawannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-8240646343651022009-04-19T22:11:00.000+05:302009-04-19T22:11:00.000+05:30Dear Navdeep,
Pls educate us on reduction of l...Dear Navdeep,<br /><br /> Pls educate us on reduction of length of service to 21/22 yrs in case of Col TS. Is it a rumour? Have services HQ taken up this with Govt serously? If yes, then what is the current status?<br /><br /> What about retirement age of these Col TS. Would it be same as Col Select? Infact as on date Col TS retires at Lt Col retirement age. In Air Force Group Capt TS retires 3 yrs earlier than Gp Capt Select which is the retirement age of Wg Cdr.<br /><br /> Kindly take up some of these issues.<br /><br /> Regards & Best wishes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-4312150907975723412009-04-19T14:35:00.000+05:302009-04-19T14:35:00.000+05:30Dear Navdeep
I get your point and am s...Dear Navdeep<br /> <br /> I get your point and am sorry about my comments wrt censorship. RegardsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-42439888872489890382009-04-19T13:24:00.000+05:302009-04-19T13:24:00.000+05:30Is it woth it to serve 27 years to become a Maj-ge...Is it woth it to serve 27 years to become a Maj-general and that too after a rigorous selection process (only 2%) success rate when IAS will do so as time scale in 14 years and IPS reach Brig in 14 years (Time scale ) . What about MES/BRO Officers also who will reach the same rank in a similar time frame ?Outranking army officers who had probably been their GE's or OC , RCC ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-27622268113358515782009-04-19T12:31:00.000+05:302009-04-19T12:31:00.000+05:30Negativity in anyones mind is the outcome of injus...Negativity in anyones mind is the outcome of injustice done without the scope of redressel.It is better someone vents out its feelings in this blog only.Nevertheless,It is for the masters in civil and military both to gauge the sentiment and accord priorities to the decision making process.Every one knows that govt would have tons of things at their hands.But remember the genisis of this dischord lies in babus doingsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-46115133199453327152009-04-19T10:20:00.000+05:302009-04-19T10:20:00.000+05:30Thank you Maj Navdeep. Your response is well appre...Thank you Maj Navdeep. Your response is well appreciatted In fact I started doubting the merrit of my post. But I was surprised to read that the thought process of majority is fully in agreement with mine.Further, Govt's orders of 16-4-2009 granting "Constant Attendant Allowance to Central Government Pensioners" specifically spelling it out that it is "on the lines existing in Defence Forces" completely thrash all the excuses advanced by you in your blog justifying government's action in delaying the case. Please note that the ibid orders state that it is based on Ministry of Finance, Department of Expenditure UO dated 23-2-2009. We all know that our case is of much earlier origin where the Naval Chief proclaimed that the Defence Forces are not implementing the 6 PC and interference of our Hon'ble PM from USA promissing to resolve it soon hopefully within a month No one is aware of the Constant Attendant Allowance issue at all .I do not think that anyone will reckon the 6PC orders of descrimination and atrocity towards Defence Forces is of lesser importance than the Constant Attendant Allowance ? <br /><br />Take it from me. The efforts of Defence Forces to ensure that we exercise our franchise is bound to make our kings realise that the Defence Forces too is a Force to reckon with and "WE THE SOLDIERS OF INDIA" are part and parcel of "WE THE PEOPLE OF INDIA" . We do not want to remain a stone idol in a temple and remain an object of worship whenever the Nation is in trouble. We are human beings with flesh, blood and feelings like rest of the Nation. We want to be considered as such and defenitely not as a STONE IDOL OF CONVENIENCE incapable of responding physically.Col NR Kurup (Retd)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-21835720739066236102009-04-19T10:12:00.000+05:302009-04-19T10:12:00.000+05:30"Shun this negativity"
Negativism is not good.
N..."Shun this negativity"<br /><br />Negativism is not good.<br /><br />Negativism is avoiding mention of bringing the culprits of this gross degrade of commissioned ranks, to justice.<br /><br />Negativism is grovelling (on the chat box) for crumbs of GP 8000?<br /><br />Negativism is tomtomming the degrade status on your celebrated civ-mil equivalence chart.<br /><br />Negativism is blaming the rank degrade on minor clerical error a la our record offices, quite like the rejection of a stupid LTC claim.<br /><br />Negativism is criticising our veterans' despair without suggesting alternatives to their proposed action plans.<br /><br />Blood boils. Indeed, I am ashamed of harbouring more negativism than you'd care know.Mangustahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12157092960207801619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-57607310940735060792009-04-19T10:08:00.000+05:302009-04-19T10:08:00.000+05:30Dear Navdeep,
Have been regularly reading your in...Dear Navdeep,<br /><br />Have been regularly reading your info,views, comments etc. Thanks; it certainly is of help to the likes of us who are located far from the Capital and found lagging otherwise.<br />In "Shun this negativity", what does SAI stand for?<br />RegardsUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10450219048488571606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-12553777943103015642009-04-19T09:50:00.000+05:302009-04-19T09:50:00.000+05:30hi navdeep please give your email address I have b...hi navdeep please give your email address I have been looking for same for contacting you to obtain your guidance.If you donot want to make it public then kindly send an email at oknanda@yahoo.co.inAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-19453153237402265972009-04-19T08:34:00.000+05:302009-04-19T08:34:00.000+05:30@Anony at 6.52 AM
Please do not jump to conclusio...@Anony at 6.52 AM<br /><br />Please do not jump to conclusions. If there is a delay in moderation, it is not due to 'censorship' but due to the fact that I am not in station and did not get adequate time to go through the comments.<br /><br />I have a demanding profession to follow and I cannot be expected to sit on the comp all the time and pronto punch in my keys whenever there is a comment posted, and there can be technical problems too sometimes. Relax and do not reach deductions. And if you have a problem with anything on the blog, please send me an email rather than posting an anonymous comment.Navdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-11268090384062531372009-04-19T06:52:00.000+05:302009-04-19T06:52:00.000+05:30Dear Sir
You have begun to eliminate so...Dear Sir <br /><br /> You have begun to eliminate some well reasoned and reasonably polite comments too in the name of moderation. I would say you have begun to impose a censorship which is neither fair nor healthy. All spectrum of views should be permitted unless they are in a foul language. If you think something is illogical that is your view. Such censorship will kill or atleast maim this wonderful blog of your which has given a voice to the voiceless and gagged of the Indian society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-78543109935248736832009-04-19T00:01:00.000+05:302009-04-19T00:01:00.000+05:30Dear Navdeep
U r right, negativity is gonna get u...Dear Navdeep<br /><br />U r right, negativity is gonna get us nowhere. But then there's a lack of positivity from the powers that be, and that too for matters particularly affecting the military. That hurts !<br /><br />On IESM recommending a party, whats wrong? Psephology is an almost exacting science on politics. And it takes 'vote banks' into account for analysis. All this VOTE, VOTE, VOTE, is of no use unless it has a focus. So, how does one make a decision on his vote. By choosing a party / candidate that is favorably disposed to him, isn't it ? <br /><br />Or, one more thing that can be denied to the fauji (for all the perceived concessions that this nation is 'heaping' on its soldiers) is his adult franchise !!<br /><br />So, do we want what we are striving for all this while, with all this blogging ? Or is it all just a pass time. <br /><br />If we are in confusion with ourselves, it may actually make it seem our 'demands' are also that - a confusion.<br /><br />I'll borrow what many have said. This is only a personal opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-2544285809881967032009-04-18T20:19:00.000+05:302009-04-18T20:19:00.000+05:30If we are veiwed as apolitical by the society do y...If we are veiwed as apolitical by the society do you think we are given any credit or benefit of being aplolitical. Instead this is used as a handicap to browbeat the soldier on all issues and turn a deaf ear to the genuine demand of the soldiers. Infact it is tool of exploitation in the hand of society to take work and blood from a section of society and them deny them their dues and make them beg for everything and laugh at them. In Indian society the only power is the power of ballot and the power that be hear no other voice. The soldier is in this exploited state since HE has not used his ballot power given to him by the constitution that he defends. It is deprivation of the worst kind. You want the soldier to protect the democracy but if he uses his ballot to achieve his right all hell breaks loose. If this is not hippocrycy them what is. All these people crying themselves hoars with we thought we were apolitical are out of depth. What are people trying to do. They are trying to vote for a party which is promising them what they want. So what is unconstitutional or illegal about it. Why are you feeling ashamed . Does not the sight of hundreds of greying and decaying soldiers sitting in the sun at the Jantar Mantar shame you people. That is what we should be ashamed of and not of the decision to vote for a party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-79864201373078874582009-04-18T17:29:00.000+05:302009-04-18T17:29:00.000+05:30Dear Navdeep
I amhappy to say that you aredoing a ...Dear Navdeep<br />I amhappy to say that you aredoing a great job. However You being the moderater of this blog can really change the direction of discussions being held and opinions being expressed. So carry on and introduce some cheerful topic however the chat box is only indiacative of a minority of a minority(internet users) in the armd forces.So lead us away from gloom to happyness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-12524812849936070982009-04-18T11:01:00.000+05:302009-04-18T11:01:00.000+05:30Sometimes pushing ones views forcefully is dubbed ...Sometimes pushing ones views forcefully is dubbed as negative to negate a valid argument. IMHO that Gandhis Non-violence movement would never had earned us Independence had the 2nd WW not broken the economic strength of the Raj. We would still have been getting whipped on the streets had the WWII not come along along and forced the Raj to abdicate. <br />As regards the ESM asking their flock to vote for a single party i feel this is not the time to introspect. Good or bad anyone in this country needs to be politically aligned to be heard. The Holy Cow image of the serviceman needs to be shed and he should be treated like the aam admi. If farmers get free electricity,minorities get reservations, Civil servants get 25% extra for serving in difficult locations and everyone except the Armed Forces are exempted error free and unaccountable service then why should the military man be different. <br />Some time ago there was a discussion on my friend(?) Pragmatics blog on why service men should append their rank after retirement. Ever crossed an IAS/IPS mans house. He revels in writing IAS/IPS (Retd. So why should the Armymanshy away from his identity?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-15075698086829693932009-04-18T10:52:00.000+05:302009-04-18T10:52:00.000+05:30Hi Navdeep !!
You have a point there.But the Gov...Hi Navdeep !!<br /> You have a point there.But the Govt should have expedited the matter,considering the fact that the civilians who were drawing less pay till 5th pay commission, have already been paid PB4 long back.<br /> Who is to be blamed for this anomally ? Many veterans are in urgent need of this money for treatments etc.What new year gift is this ? Justice delayed is justice denied.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-79349652115651761752009-04-18T08:39:00.000+05:302009-04-18T08:39:00.000+05:30I agree that negativity should be shunned. but all...I agree that negativity should be shunned. but all said and done the delay in implementation of PB4 despite the PM's order is indeed inexcusable. It does not in any case speak well of the system(baboos). Look at some of the paki web sites .They are more than delighted seeing the shabby treatment metted out to our Officers..One is pained to read some of the caustic comments. Was n't it avoidable?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-64454596021801750292009-04-18T06:48:00.000+05:302009-04-18T06:48:00.000+05:30I do not agree. This is the normal justifications...I do not agree. This is the normal justifications of bureaucrates and persons not affected. The atrocities done to defence forces made their blood boil. 60 years is a long period to wait. Please do not generalise the issue. Please recollect as to what happened. When the soldiers could no more wait and suffer with the type of excuses advanced by you, the Naval Chief reacted. He said that the Armed Forces are not implementing the 6 PC. Good enough. Why the PM reacted ? Why didn't he ignore it in the style enumeraed by you ? The defence forces accepted to implement 6 pc on condition that the issue will be resolved soon - say one month. We did not acept that it will be resoled along with other problems received by the Anomalies Committee. The govt accepted it by detailing GOM. Now it is 7 months and people like you justify it as it is nothing unusual. The PM should have ignored the Naval Chief's action. We would have got what we needed 5 months back. <br />It was a criminal breach of trust not to resolve it in a month. At least we expected justification. Nothing. No comment. Not a word from anyone. Our blood boils. It will continue to boil. Irational comments and actions will follow. The EXM is in the correct directions. (Of cource I donot visualise ths remarks getting aproved by the moderator).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com