tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post6229020236455258814..comments2024-02-08T22:01:40.101+05:30Comments on Indian Military : Service Benefits and Issues: Have Faith - II : Message from Chief of Naval Staff and Chairman Chiefs of Staff CommitteeNavdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-19254061272620616402008-11-11T11:00:00.000+05:302008-11-11T11:00:00.000+05:30The writer is a former banker who was with the SBI...The writer is a former banker who was with the SBI Group and DSP Merrill Lynch Ltd.<BR/><BR/> Here is a very dispassionate view by a rank outsider. I' m sure many of us didn't think on these lines of reasoning earlier. Makes good reading and sense even !<BR/><BR/>We need a permanent solution to this tussle over emoluments so that the armed forces need only confront the enemies of the nation, says T.R.Ramaswami.<BR/> In the continuing debate on pay scales for the armed forces, there has to be a serious and transparent effort to ensure that the country is not faced with an unnecessary<BR/>civil-military confrontation. That effort will have to come from the netas, who are the real and true bosses of the armed forces and not the civil bureaucracy. A solution may lie in what follows. This country requires the best armed<BR/>forces, the best police and the best civil service. In fact<BR/>that is what the British ensured.. By best one means that a person chooses which service he wants as per his desires/capabilities and not based on the vast differential<BR/>in prospects in the various services. How much differential<BR/>is there? Take Maharashtra, one of the most parsimonious with police ranks thus still retaining some merit - the 1981 IPS batch have become 3-star generals, the 1987 are 2-star and the 1994 1-star.. In the army the corresponding years<BR/>are 1972, 1975, 1979. – ie a<BR/>differential of 10-15 years. While the differential is more with the IAS, the variance with the IPS is all the more glaring because both are uniformed services and the grades are "visible" on the shoulders. <BR/>First some general aspects. Only the armed forces are a real profession – ie where you rise to the top only by joining at the bottom. We have had professors of economics become Finance Secretaries or even Governors of RBI. We have any number of MBBSs, engineers, MBAs, in the police force though what their qualifications lend to their jobs is a moot point. You can join at any level in the civil service, except Cabinet Secretary. A civil servant can move from Animal Husbandry to Civil Aviation to Fertilisers to Steel to yes, unfortunately, even to Defence.. But the army never asks for Brigade Commanders or a Commandant of the Army War College or even Director General Military Intelligence, even<BR/>from RAW or IB. Army officers can and have moved into organizations like IB and RAW but it is never the other way round. MBBS and Law graduates are only in the Medical or JAG Corps and do nothing beyond their narrow areas. Every Army<BR/>Chief - in any army - has<BR/>risen from being a commander of a platoon to company to battalion to brigade to division to corps to army. <BR/><BR/>Next, one must note the rigidity and steep pyramid of the army's rank structure. In the civil services any post is fungible with any grade based on political expediency and the desires of the service. For example I know of one case where one department downgraded one post in another state and up-graded one in Mumbai just to enable someone continue in Mumbai after promotion! You can't fool around like this in the armed forces. A very good Brigadier cannot be made a Major-General and continue as brigade commander.<BR/>There has to be a clear vacancy for a Major General and even then there may be others better than him. Further the top five ranks in the army comprise only 10% of the officer strength. Contrast this with the civil services where entire batches become Joint Secretaries. <BR/>Even the meaning of the word "merit" is vastly different in the army and the civil services. Some years back an officer of the Maharashtra cadre claimed that he<BR/>should be the Chief Secretary as he was first in the merit list. Which merit list? At the time of entry more than 35 years before! The fact is that this is how merit is decided in the IAS and IPS. Every time a batch gets promoted the inter-se merit is still retained as at the time of entry. In other words if you are first in a batch at the time of entry, then as long as you get promoted, you continue to remain first! This is like someone in the army claiming that<BR/>he should become chief because he got the Sword of Honour at the IMA. Even a Param Vir Chakra does not count for promotion, assuming that you are still alive. In the armed<BR/>forces, merit is a continuous process - each time a batch<BR/>is promoted the merit list is redrawn according to your performance in all the previous assignments with additional weightage given not only to the last one but also to your suitability for the next one. Thus if you are a Brigade Commander and found fit to become a Major General, you may not get a division because others have been found<BR/>better to head a division. That effectively puts an end to your promotion to Lt. General. The compensation package must therefore address all the above issues. In each service, anyone must get the same total compensation by the time he reaches the 'mode rank' of his service. "Mode" is a statistical<BR/>> term – the value where the maximum number of variables<BR/>> fall. In the IAS normally everyone reaches Director and in<BR/>> the IPS it is DIG. In the army, given the aforementioned rank and grade rigidities and pyramidical structure, the mode rank cannot exceed Colonel. Thus a Colonel's gross career earnings (not salary scales alone) must be at par with that of a Director. But remember that a Colonel retires at 54, but every babu from peon to Secretary at 60 regardless of performance. Further, it takes 16-18 years to<BR/>become a Colonel whereas in that time an IAS officer reaches the next higher grade of Joint Secretary, which is considered equal to a Major General. These aspects and others - like postings in non-family stations - must be<BR/>> addressed while fixing the overall pay scales of Colonel and below. Thereafter a Brigadier will be made equal to a Joint Secretary, a Major-General to an Additional Secretary and a Lt. General to a Secretary. The Army Commanders deserve a new rank - Colonel General - and should be above a Secretary but below Cabinet Secretary. The equalization takes place at the level of Cabinet Secretary and Army Chief. If this isfinancially a problem I have another solution. Without increasing the armed forces' scales, reduce the scales of the IAS and IPS till they too have 20% shortage. Done? Even India 's corruption index will go down. <BR/>If the above is accepted in principle, there is a good case<BR/>to review the number of posts above Colonel. Senior ranks in the armed forces have become devalued with more and more posts being created. But the same pruning exercise is<BR/>necessary in the IAS and more so in the IPS, where Directors General in some states are re-writing police manuals – one is doing Volume I and another Volume II! Further the civil services have such facilities as "compulsory wait" – basically a picnic at taxpayers cost. And if you are not promoted or posted where you don't want to go they seem able to take off on leave with much ease. In the army you will be court-martialled. Also find out how many are on study leave. The country cannot afford this. <BR/>Let not someone say that the IAS and IPS exams are tougher and hence the quality of the officers better. An exam at the age of 24 has to be tougher than one at the age of 16. The taxpaying citizen is not interested in your essay/note writing capabilities or whether you know Cleopatra's grandfather. As a citizen I always see the army being called to hold the pants of the civil services and the police and<BR/>never the other way round. That's enough proof as to who is really more capable. Also recall the insensitive statements made by the IG Meerut in the Aarushi case and the Home Secretary after the blasts. Further, when the IAS and<BR/>IPS hopefuls are sleeping, eating and studying, their school mates, who have joined the army, stand vigil on the borders to make it possible for them to do so. <BR/>Remember that the armed forces can only fight for above the table pay. They can never compete with the civil services and definitely not with the police for the under the table variety. <BR/>Finally, there is one supreme national necessity. The political class – not the bureaucracy - which represents the real civil supremacy better become more savvy on matters<BR/>relating to the armed forces. Till then they are at the mercy of the civil service, who frequently play their own little war games. At ministerial level there are some very specialized departments – Finance, Railways, Security (Home), Foreign and Defence, where split second decisions are necessary. It is always possible to find netas savvy in finance, foreign relations and railways. Security has been<BR/>addressed in getting a former IPS officer as NSA at the level of a MoS. Is it time that a professional is also brought into the Defence Ministry as MoS? The sooner the<BR/>better. In fact this will be better than a CoDS because the armed forces will have someone not constrained by the Army Act or Article 33 of the Constitution. Of course the loudest howls will come from the babus. The netas must realize that a divide and rule policy cannot work where the country's security is concerned. Recall 1962? <BR/>Our army, already engaged in activities not core to their<BR/>functions, including rescuing babies from borewells (!), should not have to engage in civil wars over their pay scales. <BR/><BR/>The writer is a former banker who was with the SBI Group and DSP Merrill Lynch Ltd.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-70848750671361451842008-09-30T19:30:00.000+05:302008-09-30T19:30:00.000+05:30I am aghast at the reports in the Indian Express a...I am aghast at the reports in the Indian Express and some other media that The honorable RM, Shri Antony had to do some plain speaking to the three Chiefs. It was implied that he threatened them of the consequences (means sacking) if the arbitrary decision taken by the Committee of Secretaries ( Seen /perused The Cabinet Secretary, Mr Chadrasekhar) approved by the Cabinet, was not implemented.<BR/><BR/>In NDTV interview / talk, Virrappa Moilly, the honorable Chairman of Administrative Reforms Commission stated that that to put Lt Col below their civilian Counterpart, was not a Political Decision but that of the Committee of Secretaries. What an evasion. The decision signed by Cabinet is not a political decision? Is he meaning not signed by Madam Ji...???<BR/><BR/>Considering this, firstly, the honorable RM should have done some "plain speaking" to those who had deliberately mislead and sabotaged the sense of fair play, equity and propriety in the Committee of Secretary's report including to the financial advisor, if that was the case.<BR/><BR/>Cabinet secretary and all memeber of Comittee of Secretary including Finance Advisor should have been immediately sacked if the Political leadership, like Antony or Moilly are trying to say that they were made charlies by the IAS.How many heads have rolled there so far??<BR/><BR/>Then What "Plain Speaking" is Mr Antony doing?? Or Is it Mr Chandrasekhar who is trying to do some "Plain peaking" by paying to the Indian Express??<BR/><BR/>Are the political leadership trying to say, their their Political Direction have been sabotaged by IAS / IPS lobby ? Then God save this Country.<BR/><BR/>And why is Gen Kapoor chickening out?? To what avail??? He wants his place in history this way or that way??<BR/><BR/>They must be morally upright like good leaders and gentlemen or Join IAS band wagon. <BR/><BR/>The frauds perpetuated by IAS / IPS has been fully exposed. Well, the demand of the Armed Forces to have their representation in CPC fully stands vindicated. Till the time IAS control over MOD exists, The Indian Armed Forces do not need enemies from outside also stands fully proved.<BR/><BR/>IAS has made a mockery of integration of MOD. That was also a big political decison. They have sabotaged all Political decisions wrt to MOD taken before or after independence.<BR/><BR/>MOD perhaps is the most profitable place to be in for them. IPS are giving them company with false sense of Ego.<BR/><BR/>God only save The Armed Forces of India till these IAS leeches are around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-5514113294981372052008-09-28T07:29:00.000+05:302008-09-28T07:29:00.000+05:30From The Men in ArmsTo The CsOS Savdhan !, G...From<BR/> <BR/> The Men in Arms<BR/><BR/>To<BR/><BR/> The CsOS<BR/><BR/><BR/> Savdhan !,<BR/><BR/> General Salute !<BR/><BR/> Salami Sashtra<BR/><BR/> Yours Faithfully, AlwaysAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-57605230075810560252008-09-27T23:28:00.000+05:302008-09-27T23:28:00.000+05:30@ anony 1028,we doct have to justify for what is r...@ anony 1028,<BR/>we doct have to justify for what is rightfully ours.<BR/>@ everyone - mark my words, if we accept this revised pay, we would be doomed for a long time, our juniors would never forgive us. it seems eerily prophetic...<BR/>the time has come for us to show some resolveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-57515387981950275182008-09-27T22:28:00.000+05:302008-09-27T22:28:00.000+05:30ever greedy and cribbing lot do not worry you will...ever greedy and cribbing lot do not worry you will certainly get fewthousand more for your such a long cribAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-30694593376100492242008-09-27T21:49:00.000+05:302008-09-27T21:49:00.000+05:30friends, i agree with soldier @1943, implementatio...friends, i agree with soldier @1943, implementation is a one way ticket. be smart and dont accept the revised pay till the anomalies are sorted out. we are not beggars. we can survive on vcpc scales for some more time. the ploy is to delay the decisions and then the elections would be there and govt can defend itself saying that the issue is being looked into.<BR/>my advice is dont get fooled. history is replete with such deceptions and we should not fall frey to it again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-1426351918542475072008-09-27T19:48:00.000+05:302008-09-27T19:48:00.000+05:30How can one have faith when you see that in the br...How can one have faith when you see that in the broad day light the status of the armed forces personnel is degraded. How did one dare do that? <BR/><BR/>The faith further gets shattered when you see that a committee has been set up and has been given one month time to give its findings. The issues raised by the armed forces are straight forward ones and should not take much time for any one to take decision. Since the decisions are not being taken instead committee is being formed is in itself a reason to worry about. <BR/><BR/>I request the Chiefs not to give into the presure tactics of the bureaucracy and issue notification in hurry. We all are willing to wait for the successful resolution of the issues. When we waiting for so many years, we will as well wait for a few months more. Let us implement the pay revision only after we resolve the issues. <BR/><BR/>Let the bureaucrats not take the military for granted.<BR/><BR/>Do not hurry up. We may have to repent later as implementation is one way ticket. There can be no contingency plan in this regard. Please wait.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-8001378830274842522008-09-27T18:13:00.000+05:302008-09-27T18:13:00.000+05:30this anonymous who has interpreted that notificati...this anonymous who has interpreted that notification to be issued on Monday is out right his own interpretation , i have heard the news that matter will be sorted out on arrival of the pm , that is 1/2 of Oct by the committee .The point about issuing the notification has not been mentioned anywheredigvijayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17844939433983385201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-74729626722753991292008-09-27T17:49:00.000+05:302008-09-27T17:49:00.000+05:30Here is a news from IANS.Anomalies in defence pay ...Here is a news from IANS.<BR/><BR/>Anomalies in defence pay scales will be rectified: Antony<BR/>27 Sep, 2008, 1329 hrs IST, IANS<BR/><BR/>THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: Anomalies in pay scales for defence personnel in the Sixth Pay Commission will be sorted out soon, and the armed forces "will celebrate Diwali" by collecting their new salaries, Defence Minister AK Antony promised here on Saturday. <BR/><BR/>Speaking to reporters here, Antony rubbished news reports that the Indian armed forces personnel would observe the forthcoming festival of lights on Oct 28 as 'Black Diwali' over the newly announced pay scales. <BR/><BR/>"Who told you such things? Such a thing is not going to happen. When the Pay Commission came out with new pay scales, I agree there were some anomalies for the armed forces personnel. But don't worry. We will sort out all such issues and they will celebrate Diwali by collecting their new pay scales," Antony said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-70320870940357229832008-09-27T17:35:00.000+05:302008-09-27T17:35:00.000+05:30who is she , widen ur horizon.We r in this state c...who is she , widen ur horizon.We r in this state coz of people like u(annony at 04:40)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-83475900532757058772008-09-27T16:40:00.000+05:302008-09-27T16:40:00.000+05:30dear all concernedi personally as so many others d...dear all concerned<BR/><BR/>i personally as so many others do not have any faith on the chiefs that they will bring good result.after all we have experienced before when the nursing officers had a stay order regarding the change of the uniform the so called higherups inclined with the judiciary by paying huge amount to buy the judgement to change the uniform from olive green to biege dress .after all these chiefs had bought the judgement to humiliate and discourage the nursing ladies.now they have achieved what??? hatred from them and decrease the morale of the ladies.so this time also we do not trust the chiefs .it will take no time to the chiefs to have good drink and food along with baboooz and surrender to their conditions and sign and agree to the committee.<BR/>first of all the chiefs should learn to respect all in uniforms whether men or women whether the soldier or chief(according to their designation) .the uniform for the ladies have changed thrice on the will of the men dominated army chiefs .why? these girls are pigeons in the goldan cage.so this disparity has to be solved then only the trust will be there among the concerned .jaihind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-60150053426338317172008-09-27T16:24:00.000+05:302008-09-27T16:24:00.000+05:30We salute you chiefs.It certainly does not matter ...We salute you chiefs.<BR/>It certainly does not matter if, we get arrears or new pay scales this diwali. We can and will have a bright diwali with the old pay scales too.We know to smile in worst of conditions.Forces and their families has gone through worse phases of 'NO DIWALI'with families for years together."Pls dont get under pressure ". We are with you and will be always.<BR/><BR/> we will have a new year gift (time does not matter). Pls take this fight to its logical end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-78410233160487889372008-09-27T16:20:00.000+05:302008-09-27T16:20:00.000+05:30A WORD OF CAUTION BEFORE WE GET IN CELEBRATION MOO...A WORD OF CAUTION BEFORE WE GET IN CELEBRATION MOOD.<BR/>1.The committee constituted to look into the matter has the villain of SCPC drama as member.<BR/>2.The Bengali accented English of Dada will not match Harvardised convincing power of PC.<BR/>3.Our RM is too docile to take on both of them.<BR/>If this entire Exercise is just for face saving,then let them do another round of drama.If this boils down to getting into nuts and bolts then Armed Forces must insist for representation,otherwise Baboos will again play tricks and take these old men for a ride.<BR/>GIVE THIS A THOUGHT.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-63299812608007669232008-09-27T16:18:00.000+05:302008-09-27T16:18:00.000+05:30I think we need to give even the devil its due.May...I think we need to give even the devil its due.<BR/>May be it is a trap. But then this time they will be trapping themselves. the issue has grown to such proportions. For once we all have stood united. Our cChiefs has fought valiantly from the front. This is the time we have to support whatever decision they take. I am sure they will have our interest uppermost in their mind when they deal with this GOM.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-24988469824509591302008-09-27T16:11:00.000+05:302008-09-27T16:11:00.000+05:30I am with everyone who is against the notification...I am with everyone who is against the notification on Monday- BTW I think this is another rumour. We will wait for next Diwali - Inshah Allah to get what is dutifully ours - IZZAT O IQBAL.<BR/><BR/>We owe it to the younger generation to stop them from having Black Diwalis throughout their Service Careers and to the awam of our country to have a fighting fit military.<BR/><BR/>Nothing ever came out of a Committee. I will repose faith in a foot soldier but not on a Babu.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-11581304300959512582008-09-27T15:57:00.000+05:302008-09-27T15:57:00.000+05:30I wonder how the pay commission made such serious ...I wonder how the pay commission made such serious mistakes especially in the case of not giving the Pay Band 4 to Lieutenant Colonels and downgrading them below their civilian counterparts. Lieutenant Colonels [and their Air Force and Navy counterparts] play a pivotal leadership role and are the main leaders of men and all efforts must be made to retain them with attractive salary and perks as there will be a big shortage if there is an exodus in this rank.<BR/>This whole thing could have been avoided if the pay commission had been just and fair to the services. I hope that at least now the system lives up to the expectations and faith of the armed forces as expressed by the Navy Chief in his message. I am sure the mature PM will show statesmanship like the Defence Minister has shown and do full justice and keep the morale high.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-74300677852795054932008-09-27T15:54:00.000+05:302008-09-27T15:54:00.000+05:30Please do not accept notification. we all can get ...Please do not accept notification. we all can get along with the old pay till the time the core issues r not resolved.Its not that big an issue for which GoM is required.What is required is yes from PM which again is been put on the GoM. the out come is already known. any commitee is made to delay the timely things n keep them in background later. So acceptance of issue of notification will be a big blunder n we will loose the battle. so we should hold on to our stand n not scumb to pressures of this nature.Finally its our chiefs to decide every thing depends on him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-38580009473142936782008-09-27T15:46:00.000+05:302008-09-27T15:46:00.000+05:30@annony at 3.02pmDont mislead about Baboos (they a...@annony at 3.02pm<BR/>Dont mislead about Baboos (they are the govt in india) being under media pressure blah blah!!!Also in any case over 70-80 % of us spend diwali away from our families yr after yr.So another "Black Diwali" is not going to make much differerce.Notifications will be issued once everything is finalised AFTER the GoM recommendatios are accepted.My experience says that committees are only made to diflect issues.billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16681382270335441492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-14918676924407182482008-09-27T15:22:00.000+05:302008-09-27T15:22:00.000+05:30this is a game to get forces to implement new scal...this is a game to get forces to implement new scales n stop the imbrogilo...to kill the fervour n split the unity of the defence forces.That the issues can be discussed n resolved in a hr seems herculean so they buy time till oct endwhy do they need three politicians to ponder over an affair which is clear n evident even to the layman . If the chief's issue new notification on monday..all core issues will fade frm media glare n die their own death in another month's timeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-14872448601360784012008-09-27T15:17:00.000+05:302008-09-27T15:17:00.000+05:30@col VTVBeg to disagree.Anyway now that a committe...@col VTV<BR/>Beg to disagree.Anyway now that a committee of GOMs to "Review" has been formed we must EXPLOIT this oppertunity to resolve all relevent pending issues.We should also articulate/engineer to have their recommendations tabled & ratified in the Parliament in oct. <BR/>To work out these issues(our demands)an inhouse committee,also incorporating ESM members,backed by an expert working group should be set up imdt. The committee must consider every single issue in detail.Addl imp ones could be MSP arrears from 1.1.06,OROP etc Even pending annomalies of 4 & 5 CPC!!billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16681382270335441492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-19388117064718979922008-09-27T15:03:00.001+05:302008-09-27T15:03:00.001+05:30Guys it's over,we have blinked!Nothing ever comes ...Guys it's over,we have blinked!Nothing ever comes out of a committee.Lets lump it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-62097093030216748822008-09-27T15:03:00.000+05:302008-09-27T15:03:00.000+05:30Suggestion to implement it in the present form sho...Suggestion to implement it in the present form should not be accepted. It is surprising to know that the committee has been given one month to submit the recommendation. Govt. seems to play down the matter by giving so long to study something as clear as Sun which rises in east. I am surprised to see that no comment by opposition parties which comes out with criticism even on silly issues. Left was never for the armed forces. What happened to BJP? There are few ex service politicians, even they are not seen!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-19624058931641767292008-09-27T15:02:00.000+05:302008-09-27T15:02:00.000+05:30Reading from comments, it is clear how much distru...Reading from comments, it is clear how much distrust and angst armed forces have for our babooze. Personally, I think issuing notification is not a retrograde step. What needs to be understood here is that Govt is already under a lot of pressure due to "Black Diwali" ( I am sure this has become a searchable function on Google) coverage by media. To offset this alone Govt must have asked to issue notification so that media hound gets off its back. The amount of negative vibes it is creating in international arena must be understood. <BR/><BR/>To play the game of babooze, forces should issue notification with a catch. This catch can be in the form of an asterisk (Conditions apply) in front of Lt Col pay, Grade pay and Lt Gen pay. Conditions must spell out that final results will be notified depending upon outcome of GoM committee findings.<BR/><BR/>To all ranks who are thinking of this as a trap, I have this to say. It might as well be a trap, but you have reached the top most level of leadership of country. You have to pay heed to what this leadership has to say or do. Beyond this, recourse of a parliamentary debate may still be open. But, in this instance, we have to play the game of give and take. Like Maj Navdeep says, have faith and wait for the outcome before untying your horses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-65470887277945647412008-09-27T14:47:00.000+05:302008-09-27T14:47:00.000+05:30Chiefs should not veild to the pressure. The prece...Chiefs should not veild to the pressure. The precedence of delayed implimentation is available which should once again be resorted too. After V Pay commission the recommendations were implimented after almost 5 month once all the obsevations were resolved.<BR/>We all in services would like to stand by ours Chiefs and give them all our support in these testing timesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-18916180286252515872008-09-27T14:34:00.000+05:302008-09-27T14:34:00.000+05:30I think we need to understand that decision has al...I think we need to understand that decision has already been taken to accept the Chief's recommendations.How ever as a face saving measure the committe has been formed to make it look that the demand was accepted after a careful scrutiny by GOM.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com