tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post6212419978715364991..comments2024-02-08T22:01:40.101+05:30Comments on Indian Military : Service Benefits and Issues: Cool ! Teachers in Centrally Funded Technical Institutions (CFTIs) to move into Pay Band-4 after three years of serviceNavdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-9952322599083717502009-12-03T15:23:10.430+05:302009-12-03T15:23:10.430+05:30Dear Navdeep, Is there any way one can find out th...Dear Navdeep, Is there any way one can find out the special family pension for widows. And do the circulars for payment of arrrears which are acessible from your blog also apply to them.<br /><br />Sorry I am using a shortcut.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04278172054705309142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-38061030952328508522009-09-23T16:10:20.707+05:302009-09-23T16:10:20.707+05:30"What I don't know can't hurt me!&quo...<b>"What I don't know can't hurt me!"</b><br /><br />Blessed are the service pers who profess ignorance about the treatment meted out to the armed forces by the 6th pay commission and its aftermath. Sitting on a distant ship/ in a field location, getting to read 4 days old news, it is easy to ignore the ignominy being harped upon the forces. <br /><br />However it is more likely that we come back in limb to a family station and come across the non functional (weren’t they always so) officers of the group/ class ‘A’ services of this great nation, who have carried out a coup upon us, with active support from the elected representatives. He will look at your shoulder stripes, snicker and will try to show you losers down at the first instance. If only he could put the amount of his NF Grade pay on the plate in front of his staff car!! <br /><br />And now the hallowed teachers, too. I've done my post grad from an IIT and well...<br /><br />Anyway, as any psychologist will tell you, the first time is the hardest. So it has been difficult for the armed forces (at least for some of us, who can put value on the caliber of our counterparts on the civil side) to accept the blatant injustice and so we react through this blog. But in course of time we will learn to accept injustices as they come along. In due course, injustices from ______will also be taken in our stride.<br /><br />I pray not.IndianACEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14042998466296508087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-44856936018241934762009-09-21T18:30:56.227+05:302009-09-21T18:30:56.227+05:30@ All
And we thought teachers in CFTIs have got a...@ All<br /><br />And we thought teachers in CFTIs have got a SUPERLATIVE deal (even the blogpost conveys it like that)<br /><br />..but pls read this link and get real<br /><a rel="nofollow">http://business.rediff.com/report/2009/sep/21/pay-anomaly-iit-professors-to-go-on-hunger-strike.htm</a>Harryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10192867696697852328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-15007615386250491472009-09-21T09:54:52.558+05:302009-09-21T09:54:52.558+05:30Well Anonymous at 9.43,
You must be dreaming is a...Well Anonymous at 9.43,<br /><br />You must be dreaming is all I can say. I have never deleted comments other than those which broad-brush an entire community / service or those where particular personalities are named.<br /><br />I peacefully run my profession and maintain a blog squeezing out minutes every day at the cost of professional time just to keep you guys informed, I have neither any 'utility' nor inclination towards bureaucrats. I do not have to warm up to anyone since fortunately I am not in a govt service.<br /><br />Your contention is incorrect and highly disrespectful. You are not at all doing me or yourself a favour by visiting these pages, it is a free country, think whatever you like, do whatver you want, but I am under no obligation to agree with your thought process or to let garbage posted on the blog.Navdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-63616372494245773622009-09-21T09:43:43.345+05:302009-09-21T09:43:43.345+05:30My Dear Bloggers (Specially the one Liking the Jok...My Dear Bloggers (Specially the one Liking the Jokes)<br /><br />I have No doubt about the sincererity and good intentions of Navdeep. However, a few brief comments before I take a final call as Navdeep said.<br /><br />A powerfull man, organisation, Institution (such as IAS or IPS) would always like to retain and ensure the power by hook or crook.<br /><br />Secondly, participation on the blog is NO guarantee of <b>Annonimity</b> but a sure shot way of revealing <b>identity</b>. I am sure all understand that along with implications.<br /><br />Navdeep is not beyond and above law. This may be his blog but if required, your identity would be revealed. In fact it can be done without Navdeep.<br /><br />The propensity of IAS / IPS to go to any extent to maintain their power position is well known.<br /><br />That is why the moderate caution of "exposure" was sounded.<br /><br />Well, Lt Col Purohit's case is not very old. Though Lt Gen Sinha's case may not be so recent but the way Admiral Mehta was harrassed is well known to you all.<br /><br />Excersising caution as it is required from any officer even in the normal course. More than that is the requirement to exhibit your standards and class which can not go down to "filth" in the name of "annonimity".<br /><br /><b>Howevr my rue is that many comments where words "IAS or IPS" appears is prompty deleted even if they are logical or of high class. Navdeep knows the reality and utility of those guys better than all of us.</b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-994863852636145982009-09-21T06:45:57.582+05:302009-09-21T06:45:57.582+05:30anno@ 8:59!! A batchmate who shows no spine will b...anno@ 8:59!! A batchmate who shows no spine will be called spineless ;what else. What is the softer adjective for that. And what are adjectives meant for. And I never called anyone any names. There is no doubt the blog requirs moderation and the owner who is doing a great job has obviously the right. But too much of such sophistry will kill this blog. <br />A balance is required which I am sure the blog owner will ensure. I would however like to know acceptable adjectives for rampant instances of inefficiency, deciet, spinelessness and sheer disloyality to the nation and society in some organisations. Here we are labouring over the right words and they do not even bother what the soceity thinks of them.beanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17064444600064193106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-1910724642669357282009-09-20T22:12:08.470+05:302009-09-20T22:12:08.470+05:30Jingoisn doesnt pay but silent work pays. services...Jingoisn doesnt pay but silent work pays. services need to take note, dont go about town crying foul it will only stump u. instead adopt what the teachers did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-12717586235811937732009-09-20T21:49:14.673+05:302009-09-20T21:49:14.673+05:30To Anonymous
From Another Anonymous
"It is ...To Anonymous<br />From Another Anonymous<br /><br />"It is now openly IAS / IPS defenders blog. I am afraid participation in the blog may compromise Armed Forces officers position. So good buy for ever..."<br /><br />I REALLY LIKE THIS JOKE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-68237913457579511702009-09-20T21:47:32.880+05:302009-09-20T21:47:32.880+05:30@Anony
You do not have a mortgage on my thoughts...@Anony<br /><br /><br />You do not have a mortgage on my thoughts, fortunately.<br /><br />You are welcome not to visit as you are to visit.<br /><br />Your call, totally !!!Navdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-62493788942896846072009-09-20T21:39:29.209+05:302009-09-20T21:39:29.209+05:30Dear Navdeep,
Are anno above comments for Harry N...Dear Navdeep,<br /><br />Are anno above comments for Harry Nattu etc in good taste that you publish it but not other comments?<br /><br />It is such selection by you which are baised and nagate the morals you pretend to preach.<br /><br />It is now openly IAS / IPS defenders blog. I am afraid participation in the blog may compromise Armed Forces officers position. So good buy for ever...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-38332900491009617642009-09-20T20:59:09.482+05:302009-09-20T20:59:09.482+05:30Dear Beant, Harry and Nattu.
I from my own experie...Dear Beant, Harry and Nattu.<br />I from my own experience would like to say that in my one year on this blog have never seen any of my comments not being posted, why ? because I am not militant in my approach and I select my words wisely. Beant you talk of spineless IPS officers, how would you take it if one of your batchmates from the army is called spineless rightly or wrongly by a civilian in a public forum ? Such a commentator can even be sued for defamation. How can we be so immature that we burden Navdeep with such silly posts asking him to let us abuse and vent our anger on his blog. I think he created a frankenstien. Please remember that it is 'HIS BLOG' and not ours, he has to share the bouquets and brickbats not you who casually and anonymously spit out any and everything as comments or as chat bits. I feel sorry for all of you but I respect Navdeep's decision, though I would also be one of the people who would miss the chatting. There was nothing meaningful that could be seen on the chat box except bashing of the so called 'boos', 'netas', etc. Such a sad state of affairs and rather than improving yourselves you go on and tell the owner of the blog that he is being strict with you. Ulta chor kotwal ko daante.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-76395185339993364862009-09-20T18:59:04.270+05:302009-09-20T18:59:04.270+05:30@Beant
You cannot broad-brush a community or an o...@Beant<br /><br />You cannot broad-brush a community or an organisation. Secondly, pin-pointing a person and calling him or her spineless would not be allowed here. You may disagree with people but you do not have to call names to prove a point. Be soft in your language and your comments shall be respected. I also have no way of editing comments, either the complete comment gets posted or it does not.Navdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-63852142452112826232009-09-20T18:52:30.605+05:302009-09-20T18:52:30.605+05:30If a person does not show courage or spine in publ...If a person does not show courage or spine in public what do you call him on this blog sir. If the IPS officers show cowardice and lead from the rear and do not bother about this being known in public;what would we call them sir?? It is good to be polite and balanced. But let truth be articulated on the blogbeanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17064444600064193106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-32568317006023684762009-09-20T17:30:08.835+05:302009-09-20T17:30:08.835+05:30Dear Maj Navdeep,here is another point
Doctors in ...Dear Maj Navdeep,here is another point<br />Doctors in AMC are not even getting DACP.<br />Most of us are getting promoted atleast 4-7 years after the other services.<br />After nearly 17 years of service in the armed forces and being post doctoral(MD is equal to Doctorate and DM is post doctoral), most of us are just Asst professors and in a lower grade pay<br />You really think people are being fair?<br />Everyones gonna start cribbing about AMC now, but let just remind the all the other organisations are the ones taht are running your medical services and other public undertakings.<br />Unfortunately, in AMC most are bonded labourers with no say in their postings or exit from the service even after 24 - 25 years of service regardsforce1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-65203750473222159272009-09-20T15:10:19.903+05:302009-09-20T15:10:19.903+05:30Dear Major Navdeep,
Thanks. There was no omission ...Dear Major Navdeep,<br />Thanks. There was no omission of my posts. At the same time, I am a bit worried about the "perennial" need for you to maintain a balance or moderate the messages. In the current case also , since the debate is being carried out mostly by bloggers - who in all probability are not "such teachers" themselves, apparently one may wonder why there should be any need for strict moderation!. But then, every opportunity is taken bt every "Aggrieved" blogger to attack his/her target!. Anonymous said chat box is closed only because of the tirade against the IAS clan!. If they "SOW"- they will also "REAP" the harvest! Only difference is whether they do good or bad, they always "REAP" the harvest! I hope the chat box opoens up quickly so that the "average, sensitive, over-zealous, deeply aggrieved" blogger has an avenue to "vent" out his/her emotions! NAVDEEP's chat-box- has to be the "VENT" and needs to be BLOGGED and not BLOCKED. (In hind-sight: Teachers of CFTIs may spare me- in any case you can not be as bad as the SINNERS who always are the WINNERS in this country- No need to moderate this time!).vnatarajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16142255752001274547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-52234670369784142842009-09-20T14:24:08.058+05:302009-09-20T14:24:08.058+05:30Natrajan Sahab and Harry, i don't know whether...Natrajan Sahab and Harry, i don't know whether you would ultimately understand or not but i think this is what made the c box go off air. it was a wonderful medium but the sanctity got lost with only one sided talk - ANTI IAS. think about it - was there anything worthwhile happening on c-box ? only -ve comments about system and no exchange of positive energy. i agree with navdeep's decision to close c-box and strictly moderate other comments.<br /><br />please do not moderate this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-11344986441000270402009-09-20T14:20:42.304+05:302009-09-20T14:20:42.304+05:30dear navdeep why are we not mentioning about the p...dear navdeep why are we not mentioning about the pbors 70 percent pensionary banifits . if is no where in black and white then what went wrong with the media reports published in all major dailies,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-86147324596628385792009-09-20T14:18:21.133+05:302009-09-20T14:18:21.133+05:30@Harry
I have nothing at all against your comment...@Harry<br /><br />I have nothing at all against your comment in question and fully agree with what you say. But as the owner of the blog, I have to look at the larger picture. Calling a particular person pusillanimous, spineless or cowardly would not be a great thing to do in a public domain. Personal opinions are fine, we all have them but placing them in a public arena amounts to slandering an individual who probably has no means of replying back or creating a defence. Would we do this in a newspaper or on TV ? Perhaps not, and hence I have to ensure that these delicate rights of individuals are protected on my blog. It is absolutely open for you to use this medium in any manner that you may like, just avoid harsh adjectives for particular individuals – whether by appointment or by name.<br /><br />I hope you would understand my predicament.Navdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-44914716679914960832009-09-20T13:46:32.248+05:302009-09-20T13:46:32.248+05:30@Maj Navdeep
Well Sir its your blog and so you ar...@Maj Navdeep<br /><br />Well Sir its your blog and so you are fully justified in blanking out my comments but I stand by what I wrote and you know it well!!<br />BTW I wrote nothing unparliamentary.Harryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10192867696697852328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-40619727967370204882009-09-20T13:06:53.622+05:302009-09-20T13:06:53.622+05:30@VNatarajan
Which post of yours was moderated ?
...@VNatarajan<br /><br />Which post of yours was moderated ?<br /><br />@Harry<br /><br /><br />You know why :-)Navdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-60387261881979539422009-09-20T12:56:23.070+05:302009-09-20T12:56:23.070+05:30I wrote some comments- as the one who had studied ...I wrote some comments- as the one who had studied in the oldest of IITs for 5 years (1956-61)- who has had a close interaction after joining my Govt. service also- and as one acquainted with the the ground truths that matter. I had not made out anything drastically against the system - but certainly the present out-of- turn MOTIVATION for teachers in CFTIs appears to be uncalled for. At best the equity must settle at reasonable levels so that one SEGMENT is not pitched against another! My view is all SEGMENTs which form the vital links for the development,progres, growth, management, sustenance, security etc of the Nation must be treated at near-par and without undue pampering of a few!. Weightage for extra- exceptional talents must be provided but not beyond the limit. WHEN YOU INDUCT THE STUDENTS INTO IITs & IIMs, it was being done in such a fool-proof manner, and so the teachers- good or moderate- did not matter during our/ next generation (my son's times - 1980s - also IITian) times. But in recent years, the dilution of standards may bring in new dimensions and results could be unpredictable. So where was the need to spoecially REWARD the TEACHERS of CFTIs much out of the way! (why my earlier post got moderated is a mystery????)VNatarajannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-72984494632631178942009-09-20T11:46:23.072+05:302009-09-20T11:46:23.072+05:30@ Maj Navdeep
Sir,
Why I got "moderated&quo...@ Maj Navdeep<br /><br />Sir,<br /><br />Why I got "moderated"?<br /><br />:(Harryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10192867696697852328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-16966649133145527732009-09-20T11:13:55.668+05:302009-09-20T11:13:55.668+05:30I request Mr. Navdeep to provide Comparative state...I request Mr. Navdeep to provide Comparative statement to reach PB-4 Scale with addl pay of Rs.9000/-.BV Raonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-8740103536838599832009-09-20T08:34:24.889+05:302009-09-20T08:34:24.889+05:30@Navdeep:
Overall not a bad deal.Also include the...@Navdeep:<br /><br />Overall not a bad deal.Also include the Consultancy Fees they receive from Corporates/Govt. , foreign travel/teaching allowances,royalities on paper and books publication etc.DEEPAKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10309253303970933578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-63965172298474858142009-09-20T05:36:52.519+05:302009-09-20T05:36:52.519+05:30sir, a large number Army Educational corps PBORs a...sir, a large number Army Educational corps PBORs are post graduate and some are doctorate but they are serving in PB-2 and pb-3 but on demands no one is ready to here them. This is due to a wrong system.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com