tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post5809258746274941302..comments2024-02-08T22:01:40.101+05:30Comments on Indian Military : Service Benefits and Issues: All Lieutenant Colonels can relax, and I mean A.L.L.Navdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-69158181711508172722009-02-14T21:53:00.000+05:302009-02-14T21:53:00.000+05:30At present PBOR contracting diabetes in peace get ...At present PBOR contracting diabetes in peace get no disability attributed to service which is wrong. Are there any Court Judgements with respect to such lifestyle diseases? Kindly shareakj4902https://www.blogger.com/profile/14919544780073628759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-50724999374037143592009-02-06T22:53:00.000+05:302009-02-06T22:53:00.000+05:30Its so disheartening the confusion and issues crea...Its so disheartening the confusion and issues created by the Justice who made the 6 CVC and then the babus who went amok on the same. Guess it is that either the Forces are too smart for the babus to be scared of them or else the babus have to run the country and they have decided that they do not the forces.... Or we can say that the country does not deserve such a dedicated lot of officers and men serving with all their might... Let the babus fight the turmoil like they did the Mumbai attacks.... sitting at home, calling the Army and the navy and blaming everyone else.. This is the irony called INDIAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-83709527715137877062009-02-05T01:56:00.000+05:302009-02-05T01:56:00.000+05:30Joy &rejoice for Lt Cols in svc. Best wishes t...Joy &rejoice for Lt Cols in svc. Best wishes to every body and future generations as the efforts and struggles of NAVDEEP and few others are deriving near parity with equivalent G O I services.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/> Now , Spare a min and think of following of some veterans :-<BR/><BR/>1.Wars of 1947 ,1962,1965 & 1971 -A soldier/officer who retd in 1972 after sweating/bleeding through those frequent wars during that period with svc upto 30 yrs ; of rks of Naik ,Hav , Naib Sub , Sub , Maj and Lt Col are getting only half of pension that is eligible to retirees after 1.1.2006 .<BR/><BR/>Ex- a Maj with 23 yrs 11 mo svc as officer gets pen of about Rs13000/ ;whereas a similer rk offr of LT col rk with say 20 yrs svc gets Rs 26000.<BR/> Near similar disparity from sepoy to Lt Col .<BR/><BR/>PLEASE DO EXTEND YOUR SUPPORT FOR YOUR FADED AND WORN OUT COMRADES WHO HAVE SACRIFICED SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENT PEACE AND PROSPERITY OF THE NATION ; AND THE PREVAILING GLORY OF ARMED FORCES WITH ALL THOSE PAST VICTORIES IN WARS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-35606191486259593152009-02-04T01:46:00.000+05:302009-02-04T01:46:00.000+05:30In this enoromous complexity of revisions,upgradat...In this enoromous complexity of revisions,upgradations,abolition of rk of 2/Lt, the beaurocracy in both civil and mily have conveniently over looked /forgotten the position/equation of officers of rk of past Majs and Lt Cols upto 30 yrs of svc<BR/>Those Majs upto 23yrs 11 mon(even 24yrs 11 mon for few yrs when TS Lt Col pro was after 25 yrs ) and Lt Cols upto 32 yrs of those war yrs svc are so far been equated to present rk of Maj of 6yrs and Lt COl of 13 yrs svc <BR/>What a fall and see the degree of down gradation and degradation . This act of neglect and cheating for decades since 1986 has been the genesis and root cause of present ills in officer cadre of AF.The top brass got their near parity and they never bothered about these 60% of officers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-24416424374035059122009-02-04T01:09:00.000+05:302009-02-04T01:09:00.000+05:30After so many decades of utter disparity to these...After so many decades of utter disparity to these Majs / Lt Cols ,now there is some hope due to the efforts of NAVDEEP and others .<BR/>The veterans of past wars of 1947,1962,1965 and 1971 who sacrificed so much with frequent wars during that period can hope for pension of reasonable parity for services rendered as soldier officers upto 30 yrs of service<BR/>These officers of rks of Maj /Lt Col (about 60% 0f entry) had only received 2/3rd of legitemately eligible pay/pension for decades.<BR/>Now with present levels of awakining ( fecilitated by mod comn of inter net and e mails ) we cannot be cheated any further.<BR/>We gave our best to the NATION and the present glory to the ARMED FORCES ,in return we were given disparity and degradation.<BR/>Wishing best of life to SUNDEEP- YOU ARE TRUE ADJ GEN OF AF.<BR/>Those past Adj Gens have not done and they were a party for the present ills.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-12393508258090134732009-02-02T18:38:00.000+05:302009-02-02T18:38:00.000+05:30les miserables, all service chaps pse dont give an...les miserables, all service chaps pse dont give an impressions like "yahoo, Eureka, mission acheived " in ur blogs. its gives wrong signals to baiters to use it against services by telling that "money talks and money keeps mouth shut". i think that when we join services we all are told not to loose self respect and prestige. that and parity should be at the forefront/focal point and not PB 4.<BR/><BR/>i hope guys can understand and by the way dont stop visiting Navdeeps blog after the ends are met. this guy(Navdeep) needs to be made an MP remember.Rajababuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02733255747637003342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-15684703428868841182009-02-02T17:55:00.000+05:302009-02-02T17:55:00.000+05:30I 've been reading a lot on your popular blog. The...I 've been reading a lot on your popular blog. The PB4 notification has set the house on fire. There are comparisons being drawn between the services and the trade unions. There is a sensse of resentment among quite a few bloggers about the way the whole issue has been gladly accepted with total disregard to `izzat' and parity issues.<BR/>I wish to add here that merely accepting the dictat from the babus does not lead us to behave like trade unions. Infact we would be acting like ones by remaining foolhardy and adamant about not accepting it and draw our nation's ire. Infact we must take this battle to it's logical denoument steadfastedly step by step. The notification when viewed in that context marks the first important step in our journey. I am sure it's just a matter of time that sanity will prevail and our `dignity' restored with `matching' emoluments.avicathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08985719517652026399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-85274982546729979962009-02-01T22:28:00.000+05:302009-02-01T22:28:00.000+05:30Padmanabhan @ February 1, 2009 3:11 PM May kindly ...Padmanabhan @ February 1, 2009 3:11 PM <BR/>May kindly note that MNS is not a commissioned cadre. MNS ranks are titular with no functional differentiation. Hence it would be appropriate to project it independently of issues pursued for the commissioned cadre.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-44367666741244028962009-02-01T20:31:00.000+05:302009-02-01T20:31:00.000+05:30Dear Maj Navdeep Many Thanks for kee...Dear Maj Navdeep<BR/> Many Thanks for keeping us informed. Nothing has been discussed on issue of now abolished rank of Lt Col(Sel). Every parameter of responsibility till date being the same Lt Col(Sel) being replaced by Col does not mean they be reverted down to,back to coy cdrs status in their retirement by Sixth CPC. It should not be forgotten pensions are directlly connected to the existing emoluments of now serving. After all, all Veteran Lt Cols(Sel) were erstwhile Bn/Regt Cdrs, logically they should have been bracketed with existing Bn Cdrs or equilvalent for the purpose of Pay(Pension) fixation . Ignoring their erstwhile status and placing them in PB-3 litery have reduced the pensions of this rank to the emoluments of IMA Cadet. Legally/technically the Sixth CPC have made pensions(Pay!) un protected' Is it cheating or violation of protecton of Pay(read Pension) Please advise...Lt Col BC Vasundhra(Retd)Vasundhrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07469520520462090153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-26177956823147852402009-02-01T15:42:00.000+05:302009-02-01T15:42:00.000+05:30Dear Navdeep and fellow Bloggers,Do not leave this...Dear Navdeep and fellow Bloggers,<BR/>Do not leave this new Babu innovation of injecting combatant / noncombatant division amongst the military ranks. This is aimed at destroying cohesion in the military in their quest to undermine it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-15132336567992760902009-02-01T15:11:00.000+05:302009-02-01T15:11:00.000+05:30Dear Maj Navdeep,What happens to the Lt Cols of MN...Dear Maj Navdeep,<BR/><BR/>What happens to the Lt Cols of MNS? Will they also get PB-4? Kindly share this info in case u have.<BR/>Thnx for keeping all of us in high spiritsUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09512913895760872862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-23265867264338268402009-02-01T14:51:00.000+05:302009-02-01T14:51:00.000+05:30Anony @ February 1, 2009 2:11 PM. That is a great ...Anony @ February 1, 2009 2:11 PM.<BR/><BR/> That is a great news. <BR/>The pay scale of Deputy Secretary level officers is also likely to be elevated though no one has asked for it……! While the armed forces have been driven to test every threshold of humiliation for seeking to hang on to the status / salary relativity as existed till Sep 08.<BR/>Mera Bharat Mahaaan..!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-37229642750838657922009-02-01T14:41:00.000+05:302009-02-01T14:41:00.000+05:30Thanks a ton MAJ Navdeep. One site I read regularl...Thanks a ton MAJ Navdeep. One site I read regularly for the updates on the ARMED FORCES and the benefits. We can also discuss on the TA/DA , LTC , Children educational allowance etc.<BR/>"May all the happiness be bestowed on you by the almighty".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-41134160377696193342009-02-01T14:15:00.000+05:302009-02-01T14:15:00.000+05:30@All those itching for a 'battle'!!What battle, si...@All those itching for a 'battle'!!<BR/><BR/>What battle, sirs?<BR/><BR/>Long long ago, when it all started, there were two anomalies under consideration-<BR/><BR/>a) <B>The Pay band Anomaly</B>- It bore on the financial standing of a middle aged officer with an average 16 years of service and 38 years of age.<BR/><BR/>b) <B>The Grade pay Anomaly</B>- It had a distinct bearing on the status of the above officer among the employees of the government of India.<BR/><BR/>If I may, Let's consider its equivalence in the corporate world.<BR/>There are technical employees who take home a higher pay packet than the administrative employee or even the owner. But the status is governed by who gets the 'corner' office.<BR/><BR/>Let's take another example from the social sphere- There is a Deepa Bar at Mumbai. The bar girls (remember- Tarannum) earn in lakhs whereas the old munshi (book keeper) in the same bar would be earning a few thousand rupees at most. Who, do you think, walks out of the main entrance when the bar closes for the night?<BR/><BR/><B>Enjoy the money!</B><BR/><BR/>God!What was I thinking when I joined the AF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-52009416601612727042009-02-01T14:11:00.000+05:302009-02-01T14:11:00.000+05:30Though the news of The Tribune dt 31Jan09 is true ...Though the news of The Tribune dt 31Jan09 is true but there is nothing to rejoice. There are speculations that the pay scale of Deputy Secretary level officers is also likely to be elevated simultaneously. So for the time being nothing is being achieved on parity front.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-79362964858936323502009-02-01T11:25:00.000+05:302009-02-01T11:25:00.000+05:30Dear Navdeep Battle is far from over, I fully agre...Dear Navdeep <BR/><BR/>Battle is far from over, I fully agree what Tom said that this combatant/non combatant issue was actually to divert the attention fro other two core issues. Had they not raised this we all would have been fighting for 8700/- GP (Which actually should have been given)So let us not loose our aim and keep on fighting for what is due to us.<BR/>REGARDSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-27130479429514990372009-02-01T09:35:00.000+05:302009-02-01T09:35:00.000+05:30MN @ February 1, 2009 12:19 AM Nice to know you ha...MN @ February 1, 2009 12:19 AM <BR/><BR/>Nice to know you have a name and are not a bystander. :)<BR/><BR/>I do not know how much you know about functioning of armed forces and that how much they are bound by hierarchy. Following the "proper chain of command" is THE byword for AF. Service chiefs have followed this dictum to the tee when taking it to the highest possible democratically elected office of the country. <BR/><BR/>For an instant, let us forget that the fight was for pay and parity. Is it an ulterior motive? Raising a voice against denial of natural justice in a democratic way; is it an ulterior motive? I think not. Whatever has been said and done has been turned into a turf war only by the conniving babus by leaking selective sentences to shekhar guptas of media. Did you ever read a report in media leaked by "informed sources in service headquarters"? <BR/><BR/>As far as setting own house in order is concerned, yes, it has to be done and if you read the comments written to the post be Maj Navdeep, it clearly shows what the majority thinks. But i am sure you will agree with me that a national institution is more or less a reflection of the state of the nation itself. I will leave it at that for you to draw conclusions. <BR/><BR/>Dear friend, since you do not understand sentiments of someone from AF, every emotion expressed will sound like a scene from Ekta Kapoor serial to you. Call it melodrama or whatever, but the damage done by Sushma Nath and co. is much more than backstabbing. <BR/><BR/>We learn from people who criticise, and you are one of the critics. You have laid down your views, and I do not agree with most of them. In the same vein, you may not agree with many views of mine. In that regard, it is an endless discussion. But sure I do expect to hear more criticism from you at another time and another post. And hopefully, it will be from MN. Till then :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-14881183833285230082009-02-01T09:14:00.000+05:302009-02-01T09:14:00.000+05:30To all who talk of this and that."Money is Status ...To all who talk of this and that.<BR/>"Money is Status and Status is Money."<BR/>give an award without monetary benefits and see how many takers there will be. <BR/>ultimately it is a question of "Are you getting less or more than me".Everything else is Secondary.,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-7124105641556524002009-02-01T08:58:00.000+05:302009-02-01T08:58:00.000+05:30Hi Maj Navdeep,With the Committee of secretarties ...Hi Maj Navdeep,<BR/><BR/>With the Committee of secretarties declaring that grade pay is indicator of only inter-se seniority within the cadre, isn't the parity issue solved?<BR/>With PB4 granted to Lt Cols their total pay (incl MSP) will exceed those of Directors of GOI, and if GP is not the indicator of interse seniority - it must be total pay that is indicative of seniority. So dont services at least at middle levels have parity restored?<BR/><BR/>I think izzat can not be restored by GP at all. It has to be restored by the way we treat our officers in the three forces.<BR/><BR/>As of now there is 'izzat' in the services depends on the appt you are holding. You can easily find 3-4 Lt Cols / Cols crammed into one room in offices. You can find many a time inappropriate or inadequate work allotted to officers.<BR/><BR/>Izzat will come not from outside but from inside when you start treating 'all' officers with respect and dignity they deserve. Keep them if you have appropriate work for them or else release them gracefully.<BR/><BR/>We require to be less wasteful and more careful of this precious resource we have called officers or else they will decline into something that is less than officer like.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-15949134747153218482009-02-01T08:49:00.000+05:302009-02-01T08:49:00.000+05:30hi maj Navdeep a section of offrs from navy has be...hi maj Navdeep a section of offrs from navy has been going through ur blog. ur blog has been exceptionally gud in breaking news that matters most for the armed forces. keep up the gud work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-50143832261282214802009-02-01T08:44:00.000+05:302009-02-01T08:44:00.000+05:30@MN Everyone has lauded the steadfast and brave st...@MN<BR/> Everyone has lauded the steadfast and brave stand of the Chiefs in this SPC fiasco. Trust a frustrated guy to rake up Shekhar's 'trade union' blah, blah, blah. Who says the main issue of izzat has been forgotten...the mental monster is only in your mind, pal, for we are made of sterner stuff. Ignore our resolve to fight this war at your own peril. Make no mistake, this a fight TTD - ToTheDeath.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-29098959305352357572009-02-01T08:36:00.000+05:302009-02-01T08:36:00.000+05:30@ Kaps@ MNBoth of you are bang on tgt (with justif...@ Kaps<BR/>@ MN<BR/><BR/>Both of you are bang on tgt (with justified but ill concealed and unguided bitterness, I might add). <BR/>Despite the oft expressed sighs of relief on monetary doles, I am confident no soldier will ever condone this act of rank degrade – wilful or otherwise. It remains THE issue. <BR/>I know it is a tall order to remain positive when we are made to appear to fight our own govt. Do we have an alternative? Let's face it that is the way the current political dispensation in India will work for some time to come.<BR/>Although it may take an indeterminate time, status quo ante will be restored and some – both by reason of logic / fairness and by pressing political circumstances such as a failed military campaign or the spectre of one.<BR/>So, ironically, when it (status) is returned to us it won't be because we asked for it – it will be given with a sense of urgency and mission orientation.<BR/>It’s so obvious – India can not be a world dominant economy with a third rate military.<BR/><BR/>Cheers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-86516970703838811762009-02-01T07:51:00.000+05:302009-02-01T07:51:00.000+05:30Dear Navdeep Sir,Thanks a million for the great in...Dear Navdeep Sir,<BR/>Thanks a million for the great info. <BR/>All Lt Cols owe many treats to him.<BR/>Regards,<BR/>Apache.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-49548542197466930582009-02-01T07:05:00.000+05:302009-02-01T07:05:00.000+05:30Hi Maj Navdeep,Thanks a lot for keeping every serv...Hi Maj Navdeep,<BR/>Thanks a lot for keeping every service offr upto date with latest happenings. Hats of to your yeoman<BR/>service. God bless youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-87887145370296234112009-02-01T00:23:00.000+05:302009-02-01T00:23:00.000+05:30hi! Navdeep thanx for all info you provide through...hi! Navdeep thanx for all info you provide through this site. keep the good work on. I sincerly hope that our seniors do look in to various issues and sugesstion provide by you and take some action on them. ByeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com