tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post4512444261636570369..comments2024-02-08T22:01:40.101+05:30Comments on Indian Military : Service Benefits and Issues: Army Headquarters clarify that medical facilities to SSCOs and ECOs have not been withdrawnNavdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-42287377246854058502016-11-06T12:23:18.444+05:302016-11-06T12:23:18.444+05:30I joined in the Army, Corps of signal during May 1...I joined in the Army, Corps of signal during May 1970 and discharged on compensate grounds<br />on 03/08/1976. I also participated in the war of 1971. I discharged from Army with out pension <br />facility. Now can I get any medical facilities or can I eligible to apply for ECS. Please<br />clarify.<br /><br />Krishna Murthy Jaddu, Ex-Signalman<br />Email jaddukrishna2012@gmail.com<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03783142250231954911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-53803132113473897862013-01-13T18:56:26.772+05:302013-01-13T18:56:26.772+05:30It is an unjustified fact that whereas a large num...It is an unjustified fact that whereas a large number of empanelled hospitals exist in NCR and even in Regional HQs of ECHS, Mumbai has none. We are dependent solely on a naval hospital located at southern most part of the city whereas ex-servicemen reside in Eastern & Western suburbs with travelling time to this only facility being at least 2:30 hrs.I have raised the issue again and again with all concerned; none have even responded.The is Govt subsidized scheme and we took membership on payment. Why than are we being neglected? Will some other agency too take up this matter on our behalf?<br /><br />Brig (retd) T R Marwa<br />tilakmarwa@gmail.comUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02753775271556256686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-83107455615113538402013-01-09T21:23:34.603+05:302013-01-09T21:23:34.603+05:30Does the seniors of the Indian Army has any respon...Does the seniors of the Indian Army has any responsibility towards the fellow army men?<br />Could the help the family of an Army person to get Justice or the Life of an Army person has no importance at all????<br /><br />This is the incidence of Village Ghoraghat,district Gaya in Bihar where a 23 year old Arvind Kumar(an Education instructor AEC)posted in Haryana A.D brigade was shot dead while he was on leave. Despite of every possible steps by the family members police is not taking any action.<br />Even if the brigade is sending letters to the C.T. S.P. but still no action has been taken. Coluld any one help us ......????? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-18995099808279289332012-05-26T14:23:47.694+05:302012-05-26T14:23:47.694+05:30Dear sir i have completed 17 years of service in m...Dear sir i have completed 17 years of service in medical corps as pbor now i am seeking premature retirement.Our records have denied Am i have legal right to get it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-71904279083340811072012-02-11T22:14:51.518+05:302012-02-11T22:14:51.518+05:30Dear sir,
I am retired from Indian Navy on compass...Dear sir,<br />I am retired from Indian Navy on compassionate grounds after 12 years of service having status of Non -pensioner Ex serviceman. Kindly advice me if I am eligible for medical facilities in military hospital. My last rank was JCO.<br />If cant publish the reply on blog please send your guidance on my mail address <br />dipak2578@yahoo.co.in. I am in desperate need of your advice.Dipak Kumar Sriwastwanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-85981285696140215642010-12-08T11:41:19.505+05:302010-12-08T11:41:19.505+05:30Dear Maj Navdeep,
Hi,
I must appreciate for this ...Dear Maj Navdeep,<br />Hi,<br /><br />I must appreciate for this blog. I am Maj Nitin Agarwal got released from Army Dental Corps as SSCO.<br /><br />I think we should make an association of released SSCO/ECO who are not entitled for ECHS Membership and together fight a legal battle for our entitlement at par with ESM PENSIONERS.<br /><br />Post release I got my Medical entitlement card made from MPRSO but in spite of having the card I had a tough time to explain the MH Authorities regarding my entitlement to take the treatment.Moreover the statement "Subject to limited medical facilities available in the MH" is very ambiguous and authorities interpret as per their whims and fancies.It needs to be explained properly.<br /><br />Further do you have any idea how should I get my daughter name endorsed in the card as she was born after my release, I contacted MPRSO but they say for SSCO their is no such provision.<br /><br />We in the army keep blaming civic authorities and bureaucrat for all the odds but I feel we ourselves are more responsible for discrimination in the system at various level and our poor plight.Dr Nitin Agarwalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16867269313451461402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-38770006882994226042009-11-25T14:04:14.395+05:302009-11-25T14:04:14.395+05:30Dear Major Navdeep,
Thanks a million for providin...Dear Major Navdeep,<br /><br />Thanks a million for providing such a useful blogsite for ex-serviceman.<br /><br />I have a querry. I'm 1977 technial entry permanent commission taken compassionate ground retirement in July 1991. If I remember correctly there is an army order that stated that we could seek premature retirement after 10 years and can also have ex-serviceman status. Can you please add on the specific terms of engagement?<br /><br />Major Ajit RakaAjit Rakahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05341835524396193166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-18764278553710374592009-11-09T17:46:48.797+05:302009-11-09T17:46:48.797+05:30Dear Navdeep Sir,
Can you please email me your Co...Dear Navdeep Sir,<br /><br />Can you please email me your Contact number please .<br /><br />Thanks<br />Maj Anurag Singh<br />s.anurag@rediffmail.comUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07163011781705189796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-88765593067578938042009-10-26T11:23:34.466+05:302009-10-26T11:23:34.466+05:30WHY NOT TO EXTEND MEDICAL FACILIES TO EX-SSCOS WHO...WHY NOT TO EXTEND MEDICAL FACILIES TO EX-SSCOS WHO PARTICIPATED IN 1971 INDO-PAK WAR. HOW ARMY TOP FORGET EVRY OFFICER WHO SHED HIS BLOOD FOR THE NATION HAS EQUAL SHARE FOR ANY BENIFITAT PAR WITH OTHERS UNDERTHE PRINCIPLE OF NATURAL JUSTICEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-67477260654584148842009-07-13T17:35:46.475+05:302009-07-13T17:35:46.475+05:30@MBG
let me clarify this once again.
SSCOs/ECOs ...@MBG<br /><br />let me clarify this once again.<br /><br />SSCOs/ECOs and non-pensioner ex-servicemen are NOT entitled ECHS facilities. They are only entitled to limited medical facilities at MHs. For major surgeries, just as pensioners are entitled to ECHS, non-pensioners are entitled to be re-imbursed through the Kendriya Sainik Board @ 80% of expenses for PBOR and 60% for Officers.<br /><br />Permanent Commissioned Officers who are released before completion of pensionable service are NOT entitled to ESM status or any kind of med facilities however SSCOs are since according to DoPT definition, a person has to be either a pensioner or someone who has completed his / her terms of engagement - SSCOs are covered under the latter while PRC offrs who retire earlier than 20 yrs are covered in neither.<br /><br />Hope this clarifies.Navdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-37081400819285300802009-07-13T17:11:41.755+05:302009-07-13T17:11:41.755+05:30With reference to you blog dated
Tuesday, June 30,...With reference to you blog dated<br />Tuesday, June 30, 2009, captioned<br />"Army Headquarters clarify that medical facilities to SSCOs and ECOs have not been withdrawn", what is the status of Permanent Commission Officers who might have taken premature retirement before completing minimum pensionable service? Logically, they should also be now permitted to avail of ECHS facilities.<br />I know the case of one such Officer, a Major, who was not initially allowed to enrol in ECHS. After this story broke, he has apparently made rounds of the ECHS HQs, Delhi Cantt. without any luck. He has been told on each visit that the ECHS HQs were not aware of any changes in current orders.<br />What do personnel like him do next?MBGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15773694698103722495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-16595625127838273892009-07-08T15:58:38.059+05:302009-07-08T15:58:38.059+05:30I am a specilist in one of bussiest military hosp,...I am a specilist in one of bussiest military hosp,I came at 0800 hrs in morning and slept in OT only for emergency operation,as I am leaving just 20 km fm hospital,and goes home next evening at 1900 hrs,this I am doing for last 2 yrs,this duty I am doing on alternate basis,I have encashed 7 mth of AL in 7 years of my speciality,as no reliver no leave basis,now tell me one non AMC officer/ retired officer who have done for ARMY in their life,secondarly I am not availing any sahayk,fauji gaddi.I know many of specilist have the same routine.now compare my routine with others,still u think DACP should not be implementedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-70460125714129480552009-07-05T19:58:24.266+05:302009-07-05T19:58:24.266+05:30we tend to target soft targets and AMC unfortunate...we tend to target soft targets and AMC unfortunately is our soft target to rent out our illfeelings or good feelings since every one of us have visited MH atleast once (all fall ill sometime or other).<br /><br />i have great admiration for those guys in AMC who work hard for us with limited resources some spl are really intelligent among them.Inf Offrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-72604726481076911872009-07-02T19:05:15.485+05:302009-07-02T19:05:15.485+05:30It is pointless seeing what good or bad AMC is. I...It is pointless seeing what good or bad AMC is. I may tell you that my life was saved by AMC doctors and every time I visit military hospitals I am not disappointed. As a young boy of 10 yrs when seriously sick the family doctor advised I be shifted to MH, but my mother resisted and commented if I will go to MH I will not return. This was in 1954, when in 1986 I was removed from office on a stretcher to The GH by my RMO, I was treated by GD doctors and one medical specialist at Zakhama with limited facilities. It was their dedication that I survived. So let us not pick on AMC as a Corps.<br />U P MathurU P Mathurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-33602431766946995092009-07-01T21:32:04.440+05:302009-07-01T21:32:04.440+05:30@Ashok at 8.39
My dear Sir, kindly go through the...@Ashok at 8.39<br /><br />My dear Sir, kindly go through the Presidential sanction and the AO before commenting. If I am not an authority, the same applies to you. It is the mandate of the Govt which has to prevail and not my 'opinion' or M-Block's interpretation.<br /><br />Yes, the RMSAF applies but do you know my friend that Para 296(O) of RMSAF has already been amended but still till date the amendment has not been properly circulated to service hospitals ?. If Pension was a criterion, then there was no need to amend the previous term 'ex-service pensioners' to the new term 'ex-servicemen'. Pray tell us why this amendment was carried out ??<br /><br />Please do not take it as AMC bashing, this is simply a case of non-application of mind. <br /><br />Medical entitlement cards issued to SSCOs and ECOs by the AGs Branch were not being honoured by MHs, why ? On the basis of a self styled interpretation issued by someone sitting on a chair of authority and that too without keeping the top military and medical brass in loop !!!Navdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-67354783002430217022009-07-01T21:12:51.217+05:302009-07-01T21:12:51.217+05:30i can see force1 has so much of positive attitude ...i can see force1 has so much of positive attitude in him.<br /><br />good nice to see someone caring in army.inf offrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-52610925459569990832009-07-01T20:39:34.884+05:302009-07-01T20:39:34.884+05:30I do not agree with the authority.
Ex-Servicemen ...I do not agree with the authority.<br /><br />Ex-Servicemen covered under the definition of ‘Ex- Serviceman’ issued by Department of Personnel and Training (DoPT) from time to time<br /><br />(ii) Families of Ex-Servicemen<br /><br />(iii) Families of deceased personnel drawing pension of some kind.<br /><br />I think the para should read :<br /><br />Ex-Servicemen covered under the definition of ‘Ex- Serviceman’ issued by Department of Personnel and Training (DoPT) from time to time<br /><br />(ii) Families of Ex-Servicemen<br /><br />(iii) Families of deceased personnel <br /><br />drawing pension of some kind.<br /><br />If that is the case then the phrase "drawing pension of some kind" becomes applicable to all three paragraphs.<br /><br />Why should deceased personnel's familes be sepatrately specified to draw pension and not the others?<br /><br />Medical is a pension linked benefit and Maj Navdeep is not the final authority on anything. The RMASF applies still. Incidentally the RMSAF is a DSR, which is issued by Min of Defence. If the Presidential Order had to be implemented then the ministry should have issued the appropriate order.Ashokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16139057890889132300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-3880373971769836972009-07-01T20:30:14.144+05:302009-07-01T20:30:14.144+05:30I quite agree with the view that the AMC does'...I quite agree with the view that the AMC does't decide entitlement.<br /><br />I am not sure you are right in stating that medical facilities are entitled to those NOT receiving a pension. Certain benefits are pension linked. I am not cetain u have the right authority. If you are right why are the words "some kind of pension" in the so called presidential order?<br />Did you know just AIIMS has as many docs as the entire AMC?<br />The AMC is the only org that is working full capacity even in peace time. Others are just preparing for war, if and when.<br />I am not aware of denial of DACP. It doesn't make so much of a difference now. But rest assured that AMC will be last choice when docs have to join service as AMC will get less than even state services. So the bottom of the barrel will treat u. Till then u can be happy that u have denied DACP to our AMC which u today deem useless.<br />See the manpower in Inf messes then comapre to AMC. See the amount of money that comes to the mess from the canteen. Add this to continuity of command / regimnetation. Do the AMC messes have a chance.<br />The same officer who will rudely walk up to a senior AMC officer will piss in his pants in approaching his own CO or Cdr on genuine matter.<br />See the accn that is dished out to the AMC offrs and jawans. EME hav has 100% accn but AMC 75% (?). Care of Army vehs is more imp than men.<br />Negativity is more in the AMC because the AMC is always fending for ourselves- no sahayaks, cooks, vehs, etc etc.<br />PBOR are one of the most neglected. The corps is too busy caring for patients, it has no time to care for its own.<br />Not surprisingly I am AMC. But I am proud of the corps. My corps right or wrong. If wrong to be set right, But my corps right or wrong.Ashokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16139057890889132300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-86324545447671420632009-07-01T17:49:11.659+05:302009-07-01T17:49:11.659+05:30Dear navdeep, please give reference of the clarifi...Dear navdeep, please give reference of the clarification or put the letter for download. many thanks.Beniwalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18102023362183114055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-12121176714727954772009-07-01T17:48:25.110+05:302009-07-01T17:48:25.110+05:30@anony at 5.21 PM
No, you shall not be entitled t...@anony at 5.21 PM<br /><br />No, you shall not be entitled to ESM status.<br /><br />It is requested that you may not please post your queries through the comments tab of blogposts. You may email me if you require specific answers.Navdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-10045510982974278092009-07-01T17:21:07.364+05:302009-07-01T17:21:07.364+05:30Dear Navdeep,
I am a PC officer with 9yrs 6 mnts...Dear Navdeep, <br /> I am a PC officer with 9yrs 6 mnts service. I am an Air Force Officer. I am permanent on LMC without it being attributable to service. The process of invalidating me out of service not solely on medical grounds is under process. Now when i am out of service, will i get ESM status including all medical facilities for me and my dependents.<br /> <br />Thankyou.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-66686927644463504192009-07-01T10:52:29.130+05:302009-07-01T10:52:29.130+05:30Just anxious Maj Navdeep....
Do u always write u...Just anxious Maj Navdeep.... <br /><br />Do u always write ur blogs in the wee hrs of the morning...abt 0500hr? So say ur blogs...<br /><br />Guess u sleep over some notion n put ur thoughts to pen..errr blog...the first thing in the morn. <br /><br />Wotsayu?KBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-47406162693347941192009-07-01T08:01:07.915+05:302009-07-01T08:01:07.915+05:30@Doctor
To answer your queries.
Yes, medical fac...@Doctor<br /><br />To answer your queries.<br /><br />Yes, medical facilities are available to dependants of SSC Officers during the life time of the offr. After the offr is no more, medical facilities are only available in case some kind of pension is being drawn by the family.<br /><br />No, in case an SSCO or ECO is employed with the civil govt and is entitled to receive medical care from his civil department, then the said offr is not entitled to med facilities from the defence services. Moreover, the AGs Branch does not issue med entitlement card to SSCOs and ECOs who are re-employed with the civil govt and are entitled to med facilities from the civil.Navdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-13778316242437978902009-06-30T23:23:57.096+05:302009-06-30T23:23:57.096+05:30Dear Maj Navdeep,
Now I am really confused.
Having...Dear Maj Navdeep,<br />Now I am really confused.<br />Having been “brought up” to the concept of “no pension – means not entitled”, am I now right in assuming that - All short service officers who have completed their tenures and are no longer serving in the armed forces can avail treatment at Military Hospitals.<br />If that is so, what about their dependents (Wife, children, parents)? Are they entitled for treatment too?<br />If this Ex-SSC officer is employed in civil (which most of them would definitely be after they leave), is he still entitled for the above treatment.<br />Pardon my ignorance and request for repeated clarification on what would seem something clear as daylight to you, but I need to know this as I am on the “other side” of clientele Vs AMC divide.<br />Finally, though I agree with you on most accounts, I feel that we should not look to emulate the PGI or AIIMS models for our healthcare because it is not good enough. It is unfair on the patient to be the 47th one to be seen by a particular doctor (as it is unfair on the doctor as well). Unfortunately that is what happens in these “premiere” hospitals (and in some of our busier hospitals).<br />In the first world, no consultant will see more than 15 patients a day (with a cap on number of new patients being 5-7). This gives the consultant and the patient enough time with each other. I too have been guilty of seeing a patient in about 2 minutes many a times due to pressure of 50 more patients to be seen. But the experience is unsatisfactory to both (patient and me). <br />We must aim for a first world system of health care for the armed forces and not be satisfied or aspire for the existing third world system.Doctornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-66784617825991912122009-06-30T22:13:52.034+05:302009-06-30T22:13:52.034+05:30Force1 @ 8:48 PM
".......& in-laws shoul...Force1 @ 8:48 PM<br /><br />".......& in-laws should be entitled medical treatment"????????????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com