tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post4502213967162207422..comments2024-02-08T22:01:40.101+05:30Comments on Indian Military : Service Benefits and Issues: Some pertinent incongruities in the OROP tables and the Circular issued for implementation of OROP by the Principal Controller of Defence Accounts (Pensions) Navdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-18317263693141947692016-09-11T23:46:46.003+05:302016-09-11T23:46:46.003+05:30OROP be based on the pay structure in vogue. It...OROP be based on the pay structure in vogue. It's revision be based on the event of pay changes for any reason. Should be extended to PMR categories as well. A comprehensive paper covering my views on these issues has been written by me and is in circulation on Whatsapp.<br />Thanx<br />Col Saurabh Gupta (Retd)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18039453468691503328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-86645364498312901152016-08-02T14:37:02.906+05:302016-08-02T14:37:02.906+05:30I 2879637W Honorary Naib Subedar Vijai Kumar (PPO ...I 2879637W Honorary Naib Subedar Vijai Kumar (PPO No – S/29763/2006 (ARMY)<br />) have served in Army 24 Years & 02 days. My Basic Pension was Rs 7750/- as per 6 CPC and Rs 8425/- as per OROP.<br />It is observed that pension of X group Honorary Naib Subedar & Naib Subedar of 24 years service is equal i.e. Rs 11138/- as per table No 7 of circular No 555 dated 04 February 2016. But basic pension of Y group Honorary Naib Subedar & Naib Subedar of 24 years service is different. 24 years service of Naib Subedar basic pension is more than Honorary Naib Subedar of 24 years service & this diffrence between Honorary Naib Subedar & Naib Subedar of 24 years service is Rs 1004. In this circular in table No 7 Y group Honorary Naib Subedar basic pension is Rs 8425 & 24 years service of Naib Subedar basic pension is Rs 9424. It should be equal as OROP as implemented for X group 24 years service of Honorary Naib Subedar & 24 year’s service of Naib Subedar basic pension are equal.<br />Hony Rank of Naib Subedar granted to Havildar will be notionally considered as a promotion to the higher grade pay and will be allowed notionally for the purpose of fixation of pension only with effect 01 January 2006. The said decision has been communicated vide Ministry of Defence letter No. 1(8)/2008-D(Pay/Policy) dated 12 June 2009.<br />On the definition of OROP (Definition of One Rank One Pension – One Rank One Pension (OROP) implies that uniform pension be paid to the Armed Forces Personnel retiring in the same rank with the same length of service irrespective of their date of retirement and any future enhancement in the rates of pension to be automatically passed on to the past pensioners. This implies bridging the gap between the rate of pension of the current pensioners and the past pensioners, and also future enhancements in the rate of pension to be automatically passed on to the past pensioners.) and government of India Ministry of Defence letter No. 1(8)/2008-D(Pay/Policy) dated 12 June 2009 pension of Honorary Naib Subedar & Naib Subedar should be equal in the same length of service.<br />Keeping view of the above and as mentioned table No 7 of circular No 555 dated 04 February 2016 for 24 years service of X group Naib Subedar & Honorary Naib Subedar basic pension has fixed at same rate or equal, so Y group 24 service of Honorary Naib Subedar & Naib Subedar basic pension should also be fixed at same rate or equal. Please consider it.vijai kumar dudihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12339778500933957303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-25199682777529263532016-06-15T00:02:32.755+05:302016-06-15T00:02:32.755+05:30There are lot of issues with regard to the OROP ta...There are lot of issues with regard to the OROP table and presently the one man commission is looking into it.<br />Is there any way that the authorities or the commission can publish a list of items or issues that are being examined by the commission, so that the effected parties and the stakeholders can examine it publicly and make sure that nothing is left out of his consideration.<br />This shall ensure that all aspects are covered and nobody has to run to the courts with grievances later on.<br /><br />Regards<br /> Chidambaramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01304939227413959549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-62567048076724742712016-04-26T15:06:43.584+05:302016-04-26T15:06:43.584+05:30Respected Sir/Madam,
Amended fresh request for nec...Respected Sir/Madam,<br />Amended fresh request for necessary amendment in OROP table for justice with Honorary Naib Subedar of Y Group is forwarded. This is for your information and further necessary favourable action please .<br />With reference the table No 7 of circular No 555 dated 04 February 2016.<br />I 2879637W Honorary Naib Subedar Vijai Kumar have served in Army 24 Years & 02 days. My service particular’s is as under –<br />Date of enrolment – 30 October 1982.<br />Date of retirement – 31 October 2006 (A/N).<br />Date of birth – 25 April 1962.<br />PPO No – S/29763/2006 (ARMY)<br />Basic Pension as per 6 CPC – Rs 7750/-<br />Revised Basic Pension on acceptance of OROP – Rs 8425/-<br />It is observed that pension of X group Honorary Naib Subedar & Naib Subedar of 24 years service is equal i.e. Rs 11138/- as per table No 7 of circular No 555 dated 04 February 2016. But basic pension of Y group Honorary Naib Subedar & Naib Subedar of 24 years service is different. 24 years service of Naib Subedar basic pension is more than Honorary Naib Subedar of 24 years service & this diffrence between Honorary Naib Subedar& Naib Subedar of 24 years service is Rs 1004. In this circular in table No 7 Y group Honorary Naib Subedar basic pension is Rs 8425 & 24 years service of Naib Subedar basic pension is Rs 9424. It should be equal as OROP as implemented for X group 24 years service of Honorary Naib Subedar & 24 years service of Naib Subedar basic pension are equal.<br />Hony Rank of Naib Subedar granted to Havildar will be notionally considered as a promotion to the higher grade pay and will be allowed notionally for the purpose of fixation of pension only with effect 01 January 2006. The said decision has been communicated vide Ministry of Defence letter No. 1(8)/2008-D(Pay/Policy) dated 12 June 2009.<br />On the definition of OROP (Definition of One Rank One Pension – One Rank One Pension (OROP) implies that uniform pension be paid to the Armed Forces Personnel retiring in the same rank with the same length of service irrespective of their date of retirement and any future enhancement in the rates of pension to be automatically passed on to the past pensioners. This implies bridging the gap between the rate of pension of the current pensioners and the past pensioners, and also future enhancements in the rate of pension to be automatically passed on to the past pensioners.) and government of India Ministry of Defence letter No. 1(8)/2008-D(Pay/Policy) dated 12 June 2009 pension of Honorary Naib Subedar & Naib Subedar should be equal in the same length of service.<br />Keeping view of the above and as mentioned table No 7 of circular No 555 dated 04 February 2016 for 24 years service of X group Naib Subedar & Honorary Naib Subedar basic pension has fixed at same rate or equal, so Y group 24 service of Honorary Naib Subedar & Naib Subedar basic pension should also be fixed at same rate or equal. Please consider it.<br />Please do the needful for necessary amendment or issue related instructions for rectify the observations or variable? An early action is requested.<br />I shall be highly obliged.<br />Thanking you with warm regards,<br />Yours obediently soldier,<br />Honorary Naib Subedar Vijai Kumar<br />PPO No – S/29763/2006 (ARMY)<br />Mobile No 09871081782vijai kumar dudihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12339778500933957303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-33817287611151380302016-03-27T14:12:05.751+05:302016-03-27T14:12:05.751+05:30Sir,
My Basic pension was refixed and an Cor PPO w...Sir,<br />My Basic pension was refixed and an Cor PPO was issued and have been drawing pension based on this. However now during OROP calculation sheet they have not considered this and taken my Basic Pension based on initial PPO. Where and to whom do i address this with my PPO's copy? Request advise.Archiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03638108575226507083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-12198479137806169072016-03-25T11:30:12.897+05:302016-03-25T11:30:12.897+05:30The MNS officers up to the rank of Major are not c...The MNS officers up to the rank of Major are not covered at all in this Circular 555, but why?Manoharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04398056746166406979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-36178397937134457602016-03-05T17:07:46.871+05:302016-03-05T17:07:46.871+05:30Dear Major, X group Hav of 19 years service gettin...Dear Major, X group Hav of 19 years service getting equal to Y group Nb sub of 22 years service. That Hav was served under the supervision of Nb Sub in his service career. Is that group is more than the Rank?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16134042001058737157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-65460894224344688832016-02-26T23:02:17.457+05:302016-02-26T23:02:17.457+05:30Dear sir,
Veteran who retired on or before 2008 a...Dear sir, <br />Veteran who retired on or before 2008 are benefitted with orop updation for pbor.pl. clearify pension updation according to 7 th cpc is applicable?. Ex.Sgt. Amit Singh Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12951450505585261033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-32276443011040241292016-02-26T10:19:27.910+05:302016-02-26T10:19:27.910+05:30the cda seems to think that he is a power over the...the cda seems to think that he is a power over the government and the ministries.how did this come to happen.why is it that all those who are adversely affected by such incongruities taking it lying down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-72288350123211702432016-02-23T20:46:10.708+05:302016-02-23T20:46:10.708+05:30Sir
PCDA.P has not made compliance of AFT orders f...Sir<br />PCDA.P has not made compliance of AFT orders for pension of hony Naib Subedar despite MOD Army order dated 2 / 4 November 2015. Gurdip Singh Faridkot. gurdipbrar@gmail.com Kind regards Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-83014224362194306072016-02-21T11:40:02.336+05:302016-02-21T11:40:02.336+05:30NCO: I have retired 2010. In my total service of ...NCO: I have retired 2010. In my total service of 24 yrs, 15 yrs served in the Havildar rank and retired. Due to no vacancy to next higher rank up to 24 yrs. Such type<br />of persons should be upgraded during their active service within stipulated periods of policy. So basic pay and allowances of next higher rank and pension calculation automatically according to this.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06710006965544973519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-13740836783766538932016-02-16T19:01:28.222+05:302016-02-16T19:01:28.222+05:30The tables for family pension of offers of AMC,ADC...The tables for family pension of offers of AMC,ADC, & others also seem to ignore the NPA element.Lt Gen Manmohan Singhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-302675855528124942016-02-15T10:13:33.682+05:302016-02-15T10:13:33.682+05:30What can WE THE RETIRED ARMED FORCES PERSONNEL DO ...What can WE THE RETIRED ARMED FORCES PERSONNEL DO in a country which really does not care about its SOLDIERS. The political parties only play vote bank games. Has Mrs Sonia Gandhi or Mr Rahul Gandhi even cared to comment on the tragedy in Siachen? In a country actually ruled by Babus( Read CLERKS) and Auditors deciding what is best for the security of our Nation such things are bound to happen. The Bureaucracy is just too happy to let the Armed Forces Personnel suffer year after year. LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC. <br /> LT COL S K KHANNAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-68200292096228917902016-02-15T10:05:37.998+05:302016-02-15T10:05:37.998+05:30Sir, In the orop table of or jco and hco .nk(ts)pe...Sir, In the orop table of or jco and hco .nk(ts)pension is 7170/of QS 15 yrs and same pension 7170/- of QS 26.what a hochpoch prepared by pcda ......Ashok Shrimal nk ts signals corpsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451730904300435756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-86859286633251594552016-02-12T14:20:24.453+05:302016-02-12T14:20:24.453+05:30OROP for the ranks upto Major in MNS cadre officer...OROP for the ranks upto Major in MNS cadre officers have not been shown in the OROP table with remark that "due to nil retirement in the rank of Lt, Capt and Maj. in MNS category no rates have been indicated. The existing pension drawn by them shall continue".How can the GOI so short sighted and blunt on the issue. There are so many retired MNS officers upto the rank of Major who are alive and drawing pension.In olden days MNS officers would be released from service on getting married. Later on GOI changed this rule and MNS officers were permitted to remain in service with out further promotion. After some years the GOI had further amended the rules and regulations and MNS officers not only retained in the service but also considered for promotion after their marriage. So MNS officers who were married whilst in service started retiring from service in the same rank at which they got married. Since nobody retires in the rank of Major as per the current dispensation,how can the GOI blindly sweep aside such MNS officers who retired up to the rank of Major and not consider them for the OROP benefits. The pension of past retirees up to the rank of Major is to be based on notional basis. Calculation of pensions for the ranks of Major and below, on notional basis, have been left out completely.<br /><br /> I would therefore request you to take up the matter on behalf of all MNS officers retired up to the rank of Major.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17668670735651311019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-77059185963684128272016-02-11T07:44:31.628+05:302016-02-11T07:44:31.628+05:30You are a unique friend on financial matter. Go ah...You are a unique friend on financial matter. Go ahead for the benefit of Veterans.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09004652202982284975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-18709946291955703392016-02-10T20:57:16.867+05:302016-02-10T20:57:16.867+05:30BABUS will never understand the difference between...BABUS will never understand the difference between MILITARY & NON MILITARY (BABUS) because :-<br /><br />(1) Military recruits Officers directly based solely on IQ/Merit (No shortcuts)<br />(2) Civilian Organisations - Have army of decision making authorities/Officers from various routes (Majority from- Non-IQ, Seniority, Quota etc.)<br /><br />Therefore, decision making, progress, advancement of nation etc. suffers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-12938425618909297872016-02-10T18:10:15.434+05:302016-02-10T18:10:15.434+05:30Maj Navdeep,
Following points may also kindly be n...Maj Navdeep,<br />Following points may also kindly be noted and projected -<br />1. Lt Colonels (incl. T.S. ) with 26 or more years of service ; who retired before the provisions for promotion to Col (TS) ; should be given pension at par with Col (TS)<br />2. For service more than 33 years ; pension should be proportionately increased.<br />or the tables should be drawn for service upto say 40 years .<br />additionally orders on the following are also to be issued -<br />1. Extending the benefit of rounding of disability percentages to 50%,75%and 100% to those who retired on superannuation ( pre 2006 ).<br />2. Payment of disability element at rates corresponding to minimum guaranteed pension has been made wef 24-9-2012. same need to be paid wef 1-1-2006 as has already been done for service element of pension.<br />Thanks<br />Lt Col (Retd) A K JainAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-18174813661893503872016-02-10T17:06:50.947+05:302016-02-10T17:06:50.947+05:30Woes of Majors continue......again badly shortchan...Woes of Majors continue......again badly shortchanged....sighAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-47016014696670011532016-02-09T21:24:42.653+05:302016-02-09T21:24:42.653+05:30http://sharad10525.blogspot.in/2016/02/just-few-of...http://sharad10525.blogspot.in/2016/02/just-few-of-weaknesses-report-of-7th-cpc.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-15450014699031650262016-02-09T19:09:49.270+05:302016-02-09T19:09:49.270+05:30There is one more glaring discrimination. Para 11 ...There is one more glaring discrimination. Para 11 (a) of PCDA circular 555 says that officers retired on or after 1.1.1996 in the rank of Major and who have completed 21 yrs of service have been allowed the pension of Lt Col. Then what happens to those Majors who retired before that date? How this cut off date has been fixed? The seniors must get the same benefit. This point also needs to be taken up.Sqn Ldr C S Gandhinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-16111215596320368332016-02-09T13:13:23.143+05:302016-02-09T13:13:23.143+05:30Good work done I am sure you will bring out all an...Good work done I am sure you will bring out all anomalies <br /> Col Raman R Rao (Retd)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02634958424634948744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-31441565603922145162016-02-09T11:11:30.621+05:302016-02-09T11:11:30.621+05:30Very nice and genuine observations. Request to pro...Very nice and genuine observations. Request to project these with one man commission constituted by GOVT. Suitable representation be submitted for pre 2006 Majors retirees, since as on 01 Jan 2013 since OROP has been accepted by that Govt no commissioned officer has retired as Major' <br />SQUADRON LEADER(RETD)SM DUBEYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16561387565465152247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-65712416212411054922016-02-09T10:20:03.190+05:302016-02-09T10:20:03.190+05:30Navdeep could you please clarify regarding the sep...Navdeep could you please clarify regarding the separate table for SS/EC offrs and the large difference in amounts .Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13982049362188817520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-73578112186106461432016-02-09T10:08:56.650+05:302016-02-09T10:08:56.650+05:30Sir,
ensuring that all the affected remain tangled...Sir,<br />ensuring that all the affected remain tangled with leagal battle alone for what is rightfully theirs.......accountability of those concerned to be in both fronts both legal and financial fronts...system want o b fair but the intermediaries .......feeding on the dead////<br />regards <br />rajalingamRajali1910https://www.blogger.com/profile/10430390645445776626noreply@blogger.com