tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post440066910565124424..comments2024-02-08T22:01:40.101+05:30Comments on Indian Military : Service Benefits and Issues: What about increase in Grade Pay for ranks other than Lt Cols, upgradation of status, higher pay for Lt Gens etc ? Is the story over ?Navdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-21009013590871329572009-02-28T11:48:00.000+05:302009-02-28T11:48:00.000+05:30I would like to know the status on pension for lt ...I would like to know the status on pension for lt col (TS) pre 2006 retiree as on date after placing Lt Col in pay band 4.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-56531096579515930672009-01-08T21:30:00.000+05:302009-01-08T21:30:00.000+05:30No sensible person will have any doubt that this ...No sensible person will have any doubt that this Govt is being taken in for a ride for by their partners in rule or loot,the babus. It is shameful for the P.M from the land of servicemen to take such decisions and announce committees after committees. Perhaps the IESM should request the Akal Thakt to give some sensible advice to him. He may listen to them!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-78146940176904309132009-01-05T20:04:00.000+05:302009-01-05T20:04:00.000+05:30Why all this angry outburst? Let us await the orde...Why all this angry outburst? Let us await the orders in black and white what the PM and Def Min mean by COMBAT READY. For the first time the Service Chiefs have taken up seriously the anomalies in the CPC recommendations since the time the CPCs have been doing injustice to the Armed Forces.Watchful expectancy and Wait and hope may be the key words for now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-81248613880239582472009-01-04T13:52:00.000+05:302009-01-04T13:52:00.000+05:30GentlemenWait until the MOD notification comes out...Gentlemen<BR/>Wait until the MOD notification comes out and u'll find the service chiefs going back to the PM. The time is ripe and mature since the country is indeed relying on the Armed forces while they are making these daring statements to our neighbour. So my request is don't de-mean the chiefs who have done so-much, standing by us all this while. We are still serving and keeping them in high regard. time is the greatest factor. as navdeep says have faith.....every thing will fall in place.<BR/><BR/>regardsJULIAN D' SOUZAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13131343646308265426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-72262685662825048302009-01-04T05:48:00.000+05:302009-01-04T05:48:00.000+05:30a lt col who does not get sel grade rk of col due...a lt col who does not get sel grade rk of col due to limitations of pyramid like structure peculier to AF gets down graded to the level of class 2/3 grade by the time he retires.it is like that till now.we are yet to see any relief.<BR/>this lt col remains a coy comdr throught his service and keeps sweating and bleading with the troops till retirement.casualities of injuries/death in all the past wars reflect highest in that category of appts/rk.he has neither the prevelages ,comfort,peace,tranquilty,saftey (beeing in fdls ),pay proportional to length of svc nor advantage of svc till the age of 54-60.SEVENTY PERCENT OF OFFICERS FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY. with this state of diparity can the ARMED FORCES be effective to come out victoriously in any future war?<BR/>Therefore it is in the wisdom of the NATION to give so called PB_4 or any other legitimate pay of the grade/class proportional to length of svc.<BR/>THE NATION CANNOT KEEP USING THEIR SVC WITHOUT RELATIVE PAY .<BR/>THEREFORE DONT CRIB IF A 25 YRS LT COL GETS MORE PAY THAN A COL OF 16 YRS SVC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-50233863812700144842009-01-04T05:03:00.000+05:302009-01-04T05:03:00.000+05:30LT COLs were down graded,degraded,ill-treated sinc...LT COLs were down graded,degraded,ill-treated since 1986 with that famous fixation of pay on 1-1-1986.OUR GENERALS WERE A PARTY FOR THAT ACT OF FIXING (LIKE MATCH-FIXING). lt col pay upto 32 yrs of svc incl service during wars of 1947,1962,1965 and 1971 was fixed at 4400 and col with 15 yrs at 5500 (com after 1971 war).That was the begining of steep fall .parity was nowhere.it was disparity.<BR/>with such ill-treatment and cheating to 70% of officer cadre for decades ,so glaringly visible to public- youth did not prefer to join SERVICES.that was the genesis and route cause of everything .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-69922056399973077832009-01-04T04:07:00.000+05:302009-01-04T04:07:00.000+05:30diversity in comments are visible.we should remain...diversity in comments are visible.we should remain focused on our efforts to derive our legitimate rights of pay and parity. Nobody will give it in hand readily.WE HAVE TO DERIVE THESE BY DIVERSE APPROACHES AND METHODS. the efforts so far has given some results. therefore continue efforts,it is a constant processes<BR/>many thanks to NAVDEEP for highlighting the facts with comparision and analysis.<BR/>WE MUST NOT FORGET THAT BUREAUCRACY OF BOTH CIVIL SERVICES AND ARMED FORCES WERE RESPONSIBLE TO THE DISPARITIES .THEY HAVE CREATED THEM. THEY HAVE NEGLECTED MOST OF US SINCE 4TH CPC.THE RESULTS ARE CLEARLY VISIBLE EVERYWHERE-defficiancies in officer cadre ,low morale less motivatoin....etc.THOSE WHO WHO HAVE SWEATED AND BLEEDED SO MUCH THROUGH ALL THOSE WARS SINCE 1947 HAVE BEEN CHEATED . THEY HAVE BEEN GETTING ONLY 70% of their pension.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-13092963902045772352009-01-03T23:59:00.000+05:302009-01-03T23:59:00.000+05:30I agree with Navdeep in everything, n I want to sa...I agree with Navdeep in everything, n I want to say only one thing, after all these anamolies and friction, why don't we question the CPC headed by one retired Judge of high esteem, was he plnted one, he must have given so many important decisions through out his life, Why did he get every thing wrong towards Af this time, <BR/><BR/>@ Does it mean that our higher lot n literate ones in our country can be fooled so easily? <BR/><BR/>@ is it the reason that still our PM SMS is being misled?<BR/><BR/>@ I really salute our Chiefs for coming out so strongly, unlike V pay commission<BR/><BR/>@ I ponder cannot We question the reasonibility of this CPC in court, as already Maj Navdeep has brought out basic flaws in their reasoning in fixation of pay<BR/><BR/>@ I request all my fauji friends to have faith in our system, n I knw If we stand together , everything will be sorted out, including our neighbours. <BR/><BR/>@ Don't we find ourselves surprised that We did n't do anything when our eastern neighbour "LYNCHED" our BSF men 4 yrs back, now I think n analyse it was due to this thinking and decision making process.<BR/><BR/>@ i wish that wisdom comes to everybody, n things become alright<BR/><BR/>@ Regarding these IAS lobby, I will say only one thing, I ve not seen them, so I cannot say anything, but I have seen all these section officers in MoD, n these are the real moles in the system. <BR/><BR/>@ I joined AF just after passing after and topping Delhi University, and some of my friends and classmates remained there for 3-4 years and became IAS officers. They also tell me that all these system is run by all these Sos and below chaps who don't know , what are they are writing on the file.<BR/><BR/>@ So its . really very confusing? Whom to sort out?<BR/><BR/>@ I request evryone to remain positive and be ready for a long fight for justice.Mach22https://www.blogger.com/profile/00824982530640197862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-15945895395313815472009-01-03T21:46:00.000+05:302009-01-03T21:46:00.000+05:30You all forget a basic anomaly. There can be no eq...You all forget a basic anomaly. There can be no equivalence as roles are clearly defined and the civilians cannot claim equivalence.<BR/>1. For example, a civilian administers but you command unto death a troop of combatants-from a platoon commander onwards-so even though a Col may be commanding just about a 1000 men but they are his only and not like the civilians<BR/>2.a MajGen is a very,very big post for us and his powers to us are limitless, but if you start comparing him on the basis of pay he would rank at the lowest of their senior level Officer. <BR/>3. Similarly, for Brigs and Colonels and all other ranks<BR/>4. Therefore, it is stupid for the armed forces to ask for equivalence on the basis of pay etc.RATHER IT SHOULD BE THE OTHER WAY around AND THEY should be asking for equivalence with us- but they have fooled us into fighting their war .<BR/>5. Equivalence is in the mind. Who asks you to compare yourself with a DM or A SSP/SP. They compare with us and let us just keep our pride intact.<BR/>In fact they have started this entire drama. I remember a friend who had joined the IPs in 1992 telling me that today he maybe saluting but later on I would. I dared him! Even today why should anyone of us salute a civilain except the Supreme Commander and other executive posts as only they would be in any way considered our superior officers and all orders have to be carried out on the behalf of the supreme commander only.<BR/>6. At various times, I have seen very senior officers grovelling in front of civilian clerks-esp MOD and esp when foreign tours are involved.What about equivalence then?<BR/>6. So let the civilians try and get equal to us and not the other way around <BR/>regardsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-60484242931458357362009-01-03T20:12:00.000+05:302009-01-03T20:12:00.000+05:30@allPls talk some sense gentlemen. Except for the ...@all<BR/>Pls talk some sense gentlemen. Except for the last few blogs in which some gentlemen have got it, everyone seems to have latched on to the wrong end of the stick. Combatant and non-combatant is not the issue. PB-4 with the correct Grade Pay is and was always. GP of 8700 or nothing. Lt Gens in HAG + or nothing. We are behind the generals. All of whom are better than any two Secretaries put together.<BR/><BR/>@ Navdeep<BR/><BR/>Dear Navdeep,<BR/> Could you pls delete all the references to the Chiefs. All of us know that you can't exactly become a senior officer unless you have some exceptional qualities (balls to accept something until you are at a place where you can do something about it other than crib being a quality not endowed to everybody). All the anonymous guys who say anything against our chiefs should be deleted. Never mind their freedom of speech. It flows from the barrel of the guns we hold.Rajaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06387298882184078882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-24957064090161064052009-01-03T10:19:00.000+05:302009-01-03T10:19:00.000+05:30@ All Service BroIt gives me immense pain to go th...@ All Service Bro<BR/><BR/>It gives me immense pain to go through what is supposedly the text of confd letter written by PMO to MoD. Firstly, lt cols have been given GP of 8000, may I ask what's the rational behind it? Incidently this is the lowest GP in PB4 now, as earlier lowest was 8700 (to my mind). How does this solve the problem of status, I fail to understand! Our contention was lt cols are equal to IAS dirs and CPOs (YES CPOs and NOT repeat NOT CPMFs) comdts, so how has that been addressed, can anybody put me wise please? Why does training period of 1/1.5 year NOT count towards service for us, when as-it-is we are so much behind in promotions to AIS cadre? How can an IPS offr with 14 year service (as DIG) be ever equivalent to a Brig with 28+1/1.5 years service? Similarly how can a 16 years IAS JS be ever equivalent to a 32+1/1.5 year Maj Gen? And yet I have NOT talked of No of offrs making it to JS in IAS and Maj Gen in Army(and equivalent in AF & Navy) or for that matter DIG in IPS and Brig in Army (and equivalent in AF & Navy). Has the polity of this great nation become mere "Dhritrashtra"? Surely the honourable PM does understand such stark facts!<BR/><BR/>So whats the recourse? Well those with honour have only One recourse left .. that is to resign en masse! And when we flood the "rotten system" with deluge of mass resignations, expressing our despair at the treatment meted out to the Armed Forces by the polity (now we can't just blame the Babooz), believe you me, this will force the powers that be to, not only sit up but get jolted and see how promptly things get sorted out!Harryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10192867696697852328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-22308038438610260482009-01-03T09:41:00.000+05:302009-01-03T09:41:00.000+05:30hullo all,it is because of the change in economic ...hullo all,<BR/>it is because of the change in economic scenario where now the opportunity "outside is better"<BR/>that everybody is asking for their due rights. else they would have accepted and lumped everything as done in the past. Also the electronic media in the form of blogs or whatever has now opened up an avenue for venting our grievences which was lacking earlier.<BR/>we should all thank Navdeep for giving us a chance to air our problems and grievences.<BR/>it seems the pmo letter has created more controversy than any resolution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-9603345099550364942009-01-03T08:27:00.000+05:302009-01-03T08:27:00.000+05:30The so called "confidential" note sent b...The so called "confidential" note sent by PMO one month after the ministers meeting held on 28 Nov 2008,reveals the working culture at the highest level of the Govt.<BR/>It appears that no serious thought was given while drafting the letter without due process of fact finding.The terms used like combatant or combat readiness of a service officer before accepting the raise in the pay band ,carry no substance relevent to accepting the need to revise the pay band.The creation of a special lower scale of grade pay of Rs 8000 is to merely assert the power of executve without any basis or reasoning.<BR/>It is also glaringly evident that no consultation or discussion with the concerned services was held to determine the feasiblity of fulfilling the requirement laid down for granting the pay band.<BR/>It is so embarassing to justify the means used to arrive at the end.Even the RM could not justify the draft when asked to explain as brought out in a press report.He could merely state that "we would solve the minor issues involved".<BR/>It is a shame that after 3 months of delibration by the GOM & futher review by the PM ,his office comes out with such an ambiguous draft that creats yet another ANOMALY to solve.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-19938298631176899092009-01-03T07:54:00.000+05:302009-01-03T07:54:00.000+05:30@ALL, time waste and meaningless discussion .RE...@ALL, time waste and meaningless discussion .REF SAI/AO ,all uniformed service personnal in three services belong to combatised forces.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-30679143509982780092009-01-03T07:46:00.000+05:302009-01-03T07:46:00.000+05:30Dear Navdeep Sir,Please clarify, does a tenure off...Dear Navdeep Sir,<BR/>Please clarify, does a tenure officer posted in DHQA is also in PB-4?<BR/>Regards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-87075632221403878462009-01-03T07:42:00.000+05:302009-01-03T07:42:00.000+05:30@all , AR, RR, ARE COBATISED FORCES@all , AR, RR, ARE COBATISED FORCESAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-46668423002354469702009-01-03T07:21:00.000+05:302009-01-03T07:21:00.000+05:30Dear Navdeep,If text of the letter from PMO, as po...Dear Navdeep,<BR/>If text of the letter from PMO, as posted by some in this blog is true, I do not see any reason to fear. PB4 is for ALL Lt Cols except those on deputation. we all are combat ready unless in actual war. I do not see any reason as to how letter can be interpreted to exclude some officers of ARMED FORCES. This is individual interpretation which is going overboard. so relax and wait for MoD notification.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-61133472367409154622009-01-03T00:43:00.000+05:302009-01-03T00:43:00.000+05:30Request read "Coup" for "Coupe" in the comment abo...Request read "Coup" for "Coupe" in the comment above.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-83980751426423012992009-01-03T00:34:00.000+05:302009-01-03T00:34:00.000+05:30If the PMO letter to the Ministry as reported is t...If the PMO letter to the Ministry as reported is true then we may safely assume that a civil services’ coupe has taken place in the country. <BR/>The political executive has lost its will and are now helpless hostages of the Baboos. The civil services attained ultimate power in our nation and are now the sovereigns……! <BR/>The existence of political executive has been reduced to notional..<BR/>Honorable Madam President, never thought that those hold your commission would be made to face this predicament.<BR/>It is in the good of the things for everyone to remember that the armed forces are built and nurtured over the years as self contained organism that has successfully guaranteed and continue to guarantee this nation peaceful existence and safety. The standards it set for its members may be difficult for others to emulate though. <BR/>It is also in the good of the things for everyone to remember that the armed forces are created not by the civil services. But surely they are now in a position to destroy it.Sathyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07421703802911473340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-8077011057798813522009-01-02T23:15:00.000+05:302009-01-02T23:15:00.000+05:30i can smell the atmosphere of mutiny here. guys be...i can smell the atmosphere of mutiny here. guys beware, there are a few people who r trying toprovocate the others. be patient gentlemen. give the chiefs their due....for if not for CAS and CNS, we would have accepted the pittens that we have been doing for the last fifty years (5 pay commissions) at least for the first time, the highest level has listened to he Armed forces grievances. untill now it has been killed at the MOD level itself. Pls dont blame navdeep or say something stupid like the previous comment please encourage guys and appreciate their work in the right earnest. please maintain some dignity on this forum.JULIAN D' SOUZAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13131343646308265426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-67992118871670037262009-01-02T22:47:00.000+05:302009-01-02T22:47:00.000+05:30What everybody is missing is the present created s...What everybody is missing is the present created situation is knowingly or unwnowingly destroying the very fabric of the Armed forces... They are trying to create different categories within the uniformed men- the way Britisher's did-- "Divide & Rule". All this being done to accommodate the whims of few babus (who are vigrously working through their associations behind the scenes) who have to work with the uniformed man in a mixed organisation.<BR/><BR/>The very essence of soldiery is being threatened & this needs to be vigourously nipped in the bud before our nation loses its esteemed forces. If things progress like this, it is not far from now.... what will be left will be nothing but a bunch of uniformed chowkidars guarding the borders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-35328530272231493902009-01-02T22:41:00.000+05:302009-01-02T22:41:00.000+05:30Anonymous at 1032Pm. It is clear who is lacking in...Anonymous at 1032Pm. It is clear who is lacking in "spunk in balls". By staying anonymous, you convey your dispensation most deftly. How stupid can people like you get? It is hard to imagine some arseticks like you ranting about your loss in such a frivolous manner. If you are so bright and fearless, show yourself up else stop blabbering.<BR/><BR/>For fellow faujis this is the text of the letter from PMO:<BR/><BR/>Full text of the confidential letter:<BR/><BR/>Refer meeting on November 28 with the EM and RM<BR/><BR/>i) Lt Colonels in their parent service holding combat or ready to combat jobs may be placed in PB4 and may be given a grade pay of Rs 8000. Lt Colonels on deputation may be given PB4 and Grade Pay of Rs 8000 only when they return from deputation to their parent service<BR/><BR/>ii) While the dispensation in Para (i) above may apply to Lt Colonels already on deputation, in future no Lt Colonel may be sent on deputation. Only Majors and Colonels may be sent on deputation.<BR/><BR/>iii) A high powered committee may be set up to resolve command and control functions / status of armed forces officers vis-à-vis paramilitary forces and civilians<BR/><BR/>iv) In future, pay revision of armed forces may be delinked from civilians and separate board set up for the armed forces.<BR/><BR/>This should not leave any doubt in any body's mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-44269937775628192212009-01-02T22:32:00.000+05:302009-01-02T22:32:00.000+05:30The three service chiefs should resign if they hav...The three service chiefs should resign if they have even a bit of shame left in them. But will they??<BR/>No Never. They are not effected by the status issue and any way they will go into oblivion in a year or two. Can they stand up and say that the status issue is non negotiable??? I doubt they have spunk in their balls to do that. Then why this constant banter on this blog ??? Just relax take home whatever you get. If you still have some spunk left in your balls either leave service or else go to court.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-51855037051367392072009-01-02T22:29:00.000+05:302009-01-02T22:29:00.000+05:30Anon @ 10.19, Navdeep has done more for the servic...Anon @ 10.19, Navdeep has done more for the services than you anyway, so shut your yap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-4900557669118321182009-01-02T22:19:00.000+05:302009-01-02T22:19:00.000+05:30The option of putting Lt.col's with 16 yrs of serv...The option of putting Lt.col's with 16 yrs of service in PB4 with full GP was one of the best. However the army and the airforce personnel don't seem to understand the basic nuances of this. The constant pestering from some of this dumbo's has made the deal for Lt.col even worse. The babus are smart and they know how to fool the dim wits. When the three services themselves don't have a common understanding on the problem how do we expect the IAS babus to do justice to us. Don't blame the IAS, blame yourself and blame your senior officers who have been blackmailed into submission. The fact that the whole PB issue has come to this state is because the service pay cell had no clue of what they had worked out. Major Navdeep through his blog cannot fight the case with the GOM. He may portray as if he is projecting the cause of the services unfortunately that is not so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com