tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post3934276978647727304..comments2024-02-08T22:01:40.101+05:30Comments on Indian Military : Service Benefits and Issues: Are we the masters of self-defeat ?Navdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-19953866733787221232016-04-17T01:29:54.246+05:302016-04-17T01:29:54.246+05:30Why speaking anonymously? Are u afraid of somethin...Why speaking anonymously? Are u afraid of something? Pls feel free to disclose ur identity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-65108831940884661562012-03-15T17:58:29.190+05:302012-03-15T17:58:29.190+05:30ANAMOLY IN SIXTH PAY COMMISSION 50% DA MERGERS ORD...ANAMOLY IN SIXTH PAY COMMISSION 50% DA MERGERS ORDER WERE NEGLECTED IN 6th PAY COMMISSION<br /><br /> DEAR SIR<br /> 1. KINDLY TAKE UP CASE WITH FOR WELFARE OF SERVING & PENSIONER<br /> 2.THE CASE HAS BEEN TAKEN UP BY ALL INDIA TRADE UNION.THE POINT HAS BEEN & INCLUDED IN THEIR AGENDA<br /> 3.ALL INDIA TRADE UNIONS ARE GOING ON STRIKE ON 28 FEB 2012 WITH ON OF THIS AS AGENDA POINT<br /> WITH BEST WISHES<br /> COL R S LAMBA<br /><br /> ANAMOLY IN SIXTH PAY COMMISSION 50% DA MERGERS ORDER WERE NEGLECTED IN 6th PAY COMMISSION<br /> KIND ATTENTION RESPECTED FINANCE MINISTER ,SIR<br /> 1THE BLUNDER ,WHO SHOULD BE MADE ACCOUNTABLE & PUNISHED FOR CREATING PROBLEMS FOR EX SERVICE MEN & SERVING PERSONAL<br /><br /> 2.IN 5TH CPC 50%DA WAS MERGED IN BASIC PENSION AS DP ONCE IT CROSSED 50%<br /><br /> 3. IN 6TH CPC WHEN DA CROSSED 50%, VARIOUS ALLOWANCES WERE HIKED BY 25 % OF SERVING PERSONS, BUT DA WAS NOT MERGED AS DP FOR SERVING & PENSIONERS<br /><br /> 4.THE MINISTER OF FINANCE MENTIONED IN LOK SABHA[DETAILS APPENDED BELOW] THAT DA ON CROSSING SLAB OF 50% IS NOT BEING MERGED AS DP, BECAUSE IT IS NOT MENTIONED IN 6TH CPC<br /><br /> 5.THE MINSTER OF FINANCE SHOULD HAVE SWIFTLY ISSUED AMENDMENT FOR 50% DA MERGER AS DP THEN HE WOULD HAVE EARNED GOOD WILL OF ALL & UPA.<br /> 6.IT IS GREAT INJUSTICE TO PENSIONER & SERVING.<br /> 7.HOW IT IS JUSTIFIED THAT ON ONE SIDE YOU INCREASE ALL ALLOWANCES AS 25% BUT FORGET TO TAKE CARE OF MOTHER OF ALL ALLOWANCES>DA MERGER AS DP<br /> 8. THE DEFAULTERS NEED TO BE TAKEN TO TASK<br /> 9. SERVING/PENSIONER SHOULD BE GIVEN THE RIGHT FULL DUE TO THEM IN A DEMOCRATIC SET UP<br /><br /> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /> No proposal to merger of dearness allowance with Basic Pay<br /> GOVERNMENT OF INDIA - MINISTRY OF FINANCE - LOK SABHA<br /> UNSTARRED QUESTION NO 859 / ANSWERED ON 25.02.2011<br /> DA OF CENTRAL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES<br /> 859. Smt. P. JAYA PRADA NAHATA<br /> NEERAJ SHEKHAR<br /> YASHVIR SINGH<br /> Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:-<br /> (a) Whether Government has plans to increase dearness allowance effective from January, 2011 for Central Government employees with a rate that commensurate with the inflationary trends and plights of working class in the past few months;<br /> (b) If so, the details thereof and if not, the reasons therefore;<br /> (c) Whether Government has any proposals to declare DA as Dearness Pay when it will cross 50 per cent, as it was done during the 5th Pay Commission;<br /> (d) If so, the details thereof; and<br /> (e) If not the reasons therefore?<br /> ANSWER<br /> MINISTER OF THE STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI NAMO NARIAN MEENA)<br /> (a)&fb): Increase in Dearness Allowance payable to Central Government employees with effect from January, 2011 will be worked out on basis of accepted formula which is based on the recommendation of 6th Central Pay Commission.<br /> (Ch (d) & (e): No proposal to declare DA as dearness pay, after DA crosses 50% is under consideration of the Government. The Sixth Pay Commission did not recommend merger of dearness allowance with Basic Pay at any stage. Government accepted this recommendation vide Government of India Resolution dated 29.8.2008.<br /><br /><br /> <br /> -- <br /> COL LAMBA<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />--COL LAMBAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-22338371197191709192011-12-09T17:11:17.077+05:302011-12-09T17:11:17.077+05:30This is brilliant your blog. Here i found sach a ...This is brilliant your blog. Here i found sach a great information. like itretirementhttp://www.accessyourukpension.es/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-74815096952300470982011-11-14T23:29:59.577+05:302011-11-14T23:29:59.577+05:30impressed sir.hats off.impressed sir.hats off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-34715333019462190662011-11-11T22:54:57.201+05:302011-11-11T22:54:57.201+05:30@ Babu sir- It seems you have attained the rk of c...@ Babu sir- It seems you have attained the rk of col and above as you continue to talk about the privileges of that rk. I request you to think of lesser mortals like Lt Cols who couldn't make it to the nxt rk.The beauty of NFFU/ NFSG is not what a AF offr is drawing but what a least ranking AIS civ offr will draw as pension when he retires as compared to the armed forces offr. The civ counterpart despite missing the opportunities for promotion shall draw pension emoluments equivqlent to that of the highest serving civ offr. What is better? not a difficult guess i believe.Sailorboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00627379887120477224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-83402703539712498742011-11-11T22:49:38.795+05:302011-11-11T22:49:38.795+05:30@Anonymus sir, why to avoid ref to MES? Its also t...@Anonymus sir, why to avoid ref to MES? Its also the part of the same org which we are serving. Probably your ignorance about the MES is forcing you to make adverse comments, which still remains the technically and procedurally one of competent org in the armed forces. I am hearing for the first time that offrs volunteer to join the and remain in the MES, i have never come across any who would like to shoot in his own foot as 95% of offrs of Corps of Engrs who are posted get sorted out there.all org have vices incl inf and arty. Despite calling bad by the environ, the org still delivers.Sailorboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00627379887120477224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-31907904381944315642011-11-11T21:02:01.963+05:302011-11-11T21:02:01.963+05:30A Great exposition, loved reading it, keep it upA Great exposition, loved reading it, keep it upAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-17552305829884554562011-11-10T19:35:06.503+05:302011-11-10T19:35:06.503+05:30Dear Navdeep,
A recent advertisement by CDAC for ...Dear Navdeep, <br />A recent advertisement by CDAC for appointment as Executive director mentioned that one should be less than 50 yrs of age and should be in grade pay of 8900 for min 5 years. Thus rules out even brig in Army. It is sad that before sixth pay commission, even Cols in Army could apply for the same job. Same is the case in all other Govt Dept/ PSUs when one wants to apply for deputation.<br />When all other central govt employees get a grade pay of Rs 10000 after 20 yrs of service, 90 % of Army offrs retire in grade pay of 8700 or less and then we advertise "DO YOU HAVE IT in YOU"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-41761500619676822322011-11-09T13:09:52.159+05:302011-11-09T13:09:52.159+05:30from this post and comments it is very clear that ...from this post and comments it is very clear that most of our problems emanates from rank and pay comparision with civilians .as most of civil services get their their dues by projecting their cases on their own merit and modelling their str to accomodate the changes .dopt has suggested a model structure for civil services to meet aspirations of members .comparision is done with similarily placed servies . <br /> we must not forget that civilians have their own set up , service condition working system , so their pay scale etc . is moddeled around the need that serve them better . <br /><br />i request maj navdeep or any body else to suggest a structure of armed forces in which pay progression is at par with best civil service . <br /><br />one has to justify it functionally also granting higher scale .<br />for example if u want to reach a lt gen pay in 22 years suggest a str that have so many lt gen posts to elevate all to lt gen after 22 years . <br />and justify so many lt gen posts on functional basis .<br /><br />i think it a simple logic . another way is regulate intake as most of services are doing to reach that stage . <br />so i requst maj navdeep to suggest something if sounded logical <br /><br />i think unless and untill armed forces leave comparisation and bring out a career progression plan of thier own which is functionally feasible .<br />only one thing can be achieved at one time either higher pay or higher status , simultaneously achievng both is very difficult .<br />if u want to give lt col scale to every body then where wil u accomodate them unless u create so many higher posts . <br />if a ge is manned by a executive engineer ther are two options either upgrade post of place a lt col to junior post . <br /><br />rajawatrajawatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-30207252595892968052011-11-08T11:12:00.640+05:302011-11-08T11:12:00.640+05:30Maj Navdep,
You should avoid reference to MES as...Maj Navdep,<br /> You should avoid reference to MES as all officers of Corps of Engineer want to work in MES at any rank irrespective of their rank and status. It is flooded with service officers much above their sactioned strength. Better always take examples /reference of<br />sevices like INF, arty etcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-92141005094565909272011-11-07T17:33:03.763+05:302011-11-07T17:33:03.763+05:30@Harry
Sir, thanks for ur admiration....let me te...@Harry<br /> Sir, thanks for ur admiration....let me tell u sir such a attitude will motivate us to serve u in better way.....<br /><br />Regarding ninihala's grievance....even i have been badly treated many times...provided with worst possible accomodation.....denied a vehicle for a legitimate duty....but that never demotivated me to treat sumbody in a bad way...But if any body will talk bad about my hard earned degree n that too a person knows the value of his own...We will not take it lying down.....!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-44037382107561957932011-11-07T15:17:30.533+05:302011-11-07T15:17:30.533+05:30Dear Maj Navdeep,
On this issue of MH facilities ...Dear Maj Navdeep,<br /><br />On this issue of MH facilities for ECOs/SSCOs, I fail to understand why govt and AMC are fighting it through SLPs.<br /><br />Last ECO batch to be released was sometime around 1972 (about 40 years back). All these ECOs will be more than 72 years of age. I don't think more than 1500 ECOs would be alive. <br /><br />Similarly, considering the average intake of 250 SSC officers every year and around 50% of officers being absorbed in permanent commission, total SSC Officers released in the last 40 years would be around 5000.<br /><br />If we deduct another 25% of SSCOs joining govt/PSUs where CGHS and other facilities exist, SSCOs interested for MH facilities or ECHS would be around 4000.<br /><br />And considering the percentage of ECOs/SSCOs who will actually fall sick and go to MH for treatment will be negligible. If AMC claims of looking after lakhs of exservicemen, is it a big extra burden on them? <br /><br />At one end we crib that there is shortage of officers in the armed forces and at other end this<br />treatment will only result in negative publicity. It is not in the interest of either the army, MOD or in national interest to deny and contest the MH and ECHS facilities for ECOs/SSCOs.<br /><br />Regards,kuldeephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01255691794315860250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-89769380061118292122011-11-07T10:41:55.029+05:302011-11-07T10:41:55.029+05:30that leaves us with one question,,,what is out TOP...that leaves us with one question,,,what is out TOP brass doing???Surely, they need to open their eyes about this,,,,,,,,,,A lot of good work has been done by the top brass in the past few years,,,,,,,,,,but still we have miles to goAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-19710428760970885232011-11-07T08:26:14.783+05:302011-11-07T08:26:14.783+05:30If anybody gets a job outside with a condition tha...If anybody gets a job outside with a condition that every year two of the 100 entrants would be shot, there wouldnt be many takers and then the job would surely fetch him/her 5000% of what he is getting here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-41112527308015481422011-11-06T13:12:31.441+05:302011-11-06T13:12:31.441+05:30@ Bharat
Sir, I'm sure u very well know the f...@ Bharat<br /><br />Sir, I'm sure u very well know the fate of even Court ordered judgements which are abegging implementation by UoI. <b>So ONLY hope is favorable Rank Pay judgement which should have a cascading positive effect on status parity. Let us hope something in our favor comes out finally on 22 Nov 11 (or thereabouts).</b><br /><br />@Anony above<br /><br />Sir, let us pls desist from name-calling and infighting. There will always be someone hard done by our actions (e.g. @ninihala may have a very genuine grievance to have such a negative opinion about AMC) but that does NOT imply we take it as a class opinion and generalise it. <b>AMC is doing a wonderful job in difficult working conditions I must say. Not that AMC requires a Certificate of merit from my side but I'm just voicing my (and most of my colleagues') opinion!</b> :)Harryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10192867696697852328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-19729624500158516272011-11-05T19:34:28.580+05:302011-11-05T19:34:28.580+05:30@ninihala & his supporter anonymous
before co...@ninihala & his supporter anonymous<br /><br />before commenting upon wat a person with MBBS degree will get outside....easily without much hard work everybody will get at least 80%-90% of wat we r getting now. Just think what u will get with degree u have.....at most 20%-30% of wat u r getting now...that too witout free gypsy, helper n etc....so please do think before u say anythingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-73919777933770821782011-11-05T18:50:33.713+05:302011-11-05T18:50:33.713+05:30Dear Navdeep,
I took PMR as a Lt Col in Mar 2011 a...Dear Navdeep,<br />I took PMR as a Lt Col in Mar 2011 after serving for 20 years.<br />Civil servants in S-24 of V CPC got a GP of 8700 in VI CPC while Lt Cols who were equivalent to S-25 of V CPC were given a GP of 8000 in VI CPC, that too after much bargaining and begging.<br />Don't we have a case here that can be fought and won in the courts ?<br />Lt Col Bharat Chevur (Retd)Bharathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17830249834891893502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-69185801993367606212011-11-05T13:59:53.584+05:302011-11-05T13:59:53.584+05:30Dear Major Navdeep Sir
So very logically put fort...Dear Major Navdeep Sir<br /><br />So very logically put forth! As a flashing ray of sanguine hope, none else other than YOU can push the demand for extending NFFU to Armed Forces Commissioned Officers, on the lines of the one made applicable for AIS/Gp A Central Civil Services Officers, harder and better. As we all wear our ranks of respective uniforms, rank and seniority should in no way get affected by grant of higher pay band and grade pay. Since all officers get it in their own time and turn, nobody must resist or envy others getting it. The higher grade pay granted as part of NFFU can be written as GP(NF)....... to do away with any confusion as to rank/seniority of the officer, both within and outside the Services. Rather, it must be made compulsory for all officers to disclose their grade pay as such orally or in writing whenever and wherever necessary.<br /><br />Sir, in your clarificatory comment somewhere among these comments, you have clarified that all civilian officers holding the rank of Dy Secy are not departmental promotees and that IAS / other Gp A officers also hold this post. The clarification is correct upto that extent. But, thereafter you have added that officers who have served for NINE years in GP 7600/- as empanelled / appointed as Deputy Secretaries. This clarification, perhaps, needs to be revisited. If i can share my little knowledge in the matter, AIS officers are placed in GP 7600/- on completing 09 years of service. They are then placed in PB4 GP 8700/- after 13 years of total service. Later, IAS and IFS (Indian Foreign Service)officers are granted GP 10,000/- (as Jt Secy) after completing 16 years of total service for reasons of maintaining seniority/parity between IAS and IFS (Foreign Service) whereas IPS are granted GP 8900 on completing 14 years of total service and GP 10,000 on completing 18 years of total service to maintain the seniority lead of 02 years for IAS/IFS(Foreign Service). The reason for furnishing these details, far better known to you, is that if an officer with 09 years of service in GP 7600/- is to be empanelled/appointed as Dy Secy, it seems largely unacceptable to the officer himself/herself because by then the officer would have completed 18(9+9)years of service in AIS/Gp A job only to be eligible for a rank nothing lesser than at least Jt Secy (GP 10,000). Kindly re-clarify to educate one and all. With best regards. Little brotherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-52725150866961445762011-11-04T06:38:51.880+05:302011-11-04T06:38:51.880+05:30When the AV Committee Recomdtns was implemented on...When the AV Committee Recomdtns was implemented on 16 Dec 2004, I as an SSC officer with four years of service suddenly found myself getting lower pay than my junior from IMA with two years service. The difference was, my junior as substantive Captain was getting Basic of 9600, whereas I was still left with 9450 which also formed part of all calculations for getting terminal and other benefits while leaving in Sept 2005. Felt cheated for the injustice and the shortsightedness of our organization after having served for four out of five years in the hostile environments of J&K. My view is that the greatest enemy lies within our own organisation and you cannot expect the civilians at MoD to be sensitive to our needs when our own hierarchy resists to give what is fairly due to us.KZ Nagaminoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-28095773700672001282011-11-03T21:34:21.852+05:302011-11-03T21:34:21.852+05:30Dear Major Navdeep
i am happy that u are keeping a...Dear Major Navdeep<br />i am happy that u are keeping a neutral stand in healthy discussions. i would like to request u that harsh languages by individuals also to be dicouraged as it will not give any result. further i would like to bring some facts for everybody<br />1. latest DOPT order says NFU for director grade is given for 1997 batch IAS. that means all organised group A of 1995 batch only will get pay band IV that too after fulfilling all promotional requirements such as minimum service in next lower rank, performance bench mark etc<br />2. most of the promotions in organised group A services are linked to vacancy.it is a fact that in many of the organised group A services deputy secretary level is reached after 18 year of group A service as vaccancy is not availabe.here NFU will be helpful<br />3. if u look at the total perks also u can see that a colonel will be drawing more perks than a joint secretary<br />i think more discussion at senior level which includes all affected would fetch a fruitful result rather than blaming each other.<br />regards<br />babubabunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-69516550461513084682011-11-03T13:55:53.516+05:302011-11-03T13:55:53.516+05:30Dear Maj Navdeep,
Re MH facilities for SSCOs/ECOs...Dear Maj Navdeep,<br /><br />Re MH facilities for SSCOs/ECOs<br /><br />I have read comments but not fully understood where the matter stands now. Are these officers entitled for MH facilities presently and where does the future lie. Thinking of ECHS would be asking for too much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-40875452919918344622011-11-03T12:52:28.147+05:302011-11-03T12:52:28.147+05:30Interesting to know how some in the Army with thei...Interesting to know how some in the Army with their myopic vision have played hell with the larger good of the entire armed Forces. It would be good if they broaden their horizons and vision. As it is some so called greats in the army think that CDS is a panacea for all ills !!!! Wonder what would happen then ??!! The continued disregard to views of the IAF and Navy have resulted in a sad situation. So shall we some of the bright armymen changing their mindset. lets first get our dues (privileges, status in warrant of precedence etc)and then think of going into issues such as CDS etc. And yes.. lets not grudge anyone (AMC or anybody else) getting additional benefits in terms of allowances. Lets learn to be a little large heartde with our own brethren. <br />Kudos to Maj Navdeep for the post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-30685566336793962542011-11-03T12:15:18.411+05:302011-11-03T12:15:18.411+05:30@Babu
Babuji, I hope follow up posts by @Anonymou...@Babu<br /><br />Babuji, I hope follow up posts by @Anonymous and Maj Navdeep have opened your eyes. Thus I don't have to explain everything all over again to you. So as per you Dy Secys at 9 yrs service are EQUIVALENT to Lt Cols at 13 + 1.5 (training period) = 14.5 yrs service. I'm sure it has NOT been ORDAINED by the GOD ALMIGHTY but some petty-mined and mean babu sitting in ramshackle office in Mantralaya and thinking himself to be 'the chosen one'!<br /><br />In addition pls don't forget all AIS officers gets SAG (GP 10,000) at 16/18 years of Service whereas just about 500 Military officers (out of combined strength of more than 50,000) get this grade that too ONLY after more than 32 yrs! Is this a revelation for you? <br /><br /><b>Hope I have put you wise enough to keep quiet now!</b>Harryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10192867696697852328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-50443594573556948952011-11-03T08:59:07.537+05:302011-11-03T08:59:07.537+05:30Thank You Navdeep for corrections.
Most of the Dy...Thank You Navdeep for corrections.<br /><br />Most of the Dy Secys I came across (majority of them are from CSS where they join as section officers). Had most of them been from Group A cadre (a better cadre) things would not have to this pass that Note Maker becomes virtually the decision maker.<br /><br />In the scheme of things of IAS, they overcome all problems at one stroke at 13 years of service while jumping on to PB-4 by double increment.<br /><br />An IAS or Class A cadre officer joins service at an average age of 26 or 27 with training period being as service. An Army officer is commissioned at an average age of 22 or 23 after losing 1 or1 1.5 years on non reckonable service.<br /><br />At 13 years service (35 years of age for Commissioned officer and 39 years age for an IAS) both become almost equal in pay and pay band by virtue of the double increment.<br /><br />Soon after the IAS and Class A service takes off and there after there is no sense of approximation or equity between the commissined officers and Class A Cadre.<br /><br />The civility and sense of equity is then thrown to winds in the present dispensation.<br /><br />It is this larger issue which needs to be adressed by mighty for the betterment of all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-10287799966213724582011-11-02T22:05:14.055+05:302011-11-02T22:05:14.055+05:30@Anony at 10PM.
Your facts, unfortunately, are no...@Anony at 10PM.<br /><br />Your facts, unfortunately, are not correct. <br /><br />1. IAS offrs get PB-4 with 8700 GP in 13 years so there is no question of waiting for 16 years in case of the IAS.<br /><br />2. All Dy Secys are not promotees. All India Service officers including the IAS are also appointed as Dy Secys after 9 years of service in GP 7600.<br /><br />3. Section Offrs do not get NFU till HAG. In fact, it is only Group A organised services which are covered under NFU/NFFU.Navdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.com