tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post3806880438153803018..comments2024-02-08T22:01:40.101+05:30Comments on Indian Military : Service Benefits and Issues: When Law Ministry made it clear to others.Navdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-82859625203595688092010-05-05T13:08:45.428+05:302010-05-05T13:08:45.428+05:30@ Anonymous May 5, 2010 7:34 AM
sir now i can fu...@ Anonymous May 5, 2010 7:34 AM<br /><br /><br />sir now i can fully agree with your views . <br /><br />the fight is between Bureaucracy and others . <br /><br />all are sufferers civil or military .<br /><br />thanksFIGHTERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02263146352563937217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-72127103927729994452010-05-05T07:34:49.256+05:302010-05-05T07:34:49.256+05:30Ultimately you can see it is not the question of c...Ultimately you can see it is not the question of civil/ military vs Law- BUT:<br /><br />It is the Bureaucracy being far above norms of any Law and being the supreme interpreter of Law unto themselves vs Rest- whether Civil or Military it is immaterial.<br /><br />You can see how the benefits of Sixth Pay Commissions' Recommendations/ Implementations have been pirated to the highest levels of self-interests and it was a pity that even the Lt Generals were totally ignored- until a "back-door" method came to their rescue ( I mean the Com on OROP- even without a proper "Term of Reference"!!!)- that too not because they were to be done JUSTICE- but because the S30 were to be given a solace! Retd Maj Gens are still under "mercy" considerations?<br /><br />ALL LIMITS OF ETHICS AND DECENCY IN GOVERNANCE HAVE BEEN SO EXCEEDED<br />THAT ANY NORMS OF "LAW & JUSTICE"- EVEN IN TERMS OF REPEATEDLKY PRONOUNCED JUDGMENTS & ARTICLES OF CONSTIUTION (14/16/21) ON EQUALITY/ LIBERTY ETC APPEAR TO BE IRRELEVANT!<br /><br />(Another example is the Review Petition related to recent Sup Court Judgment on similar cases/appeals based on Maj Dhanapalan's Case !!!!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-38988598321171946152010-05-04T20:55:17.660+05:302010-05-04T20:55:17.660+05:30i think this malice is universal . not confined on...i think this malice is universal . not confined only to armed forces .<br />in armed forces things are pretty much systematic.<br />in civil even getting pensionery benefits or GPF etc is a herculean task . in civil departments promotion committee do not sit for years together .<br /><br />i am on firm on my view that the theory being projected here is that IAS or civilians are conspiring against soldiers or armed forces is not correct .<br /><br /><br />in fact going in to litigation is a national habit or our national character .<br />no denying the fact that armed forces must get their legitimate dues . <br />in fact letter of min of law is targeted towards civil departments <br />not armed forces .<br /><br /><br />but i am happy that on this blog people get a chance to nikalo their bhadas .<br /><br />thanksFIGHTERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02263146352563937217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-35682182446180025222010-05-03T22:51:33.257+05:302010-05-03T22:51:33.257+05:30@Fighter!! Your babu like arguments are just smart...@Fighter!! Your babu like arguments are just smart , not wise. Till now the Soldiers could be fooled by such stale innate and insincere arguments. Not anymore. Is not the quality of argument put up by some amazing you and making you run for cover. It is you who is being vague and not joining the relevant stream of thought , choosing instead to stay in shadows. You tell us who are this people who are harrassing solideirs with nothing to be gained. What drives this sick mindset which initiate these malacious apeals. Is this not a logical question???<br /><br /> And fact that soldiers are systematically being degraded in all manners; is not the same sick mind the driver; and for you it is not a logical question.<br /> So what logic you prescribe for the soldiers; that they accept all injustices with grace and willingly die for this sick society led by morally sick babus ??<br />YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE SCARY AND UNREASONABLE. You do not want the sacrificial goats to even protest. <br /><br /> Get real pal. These days Chanakya is not taught in LBSA. It is part of curriculam at the IMA and NDA. <br /><br /> Forces have to be protected from GoonsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-67895217974706165072010-05-03T14:09:29.404+05:302010-05-03T14:09:29.404+05:30Post above this- on concurrence or otherwise of th...Post above this- on concurrence or otherwise of the Dept of Law & Justice (DLJ). <br /><br />What I feel is that such a concurrence- more often than not is taken for granted. File notes obtained thru RTI reveal, the so-called "concurrence" is non-committal. <br /><br />Jargons like "Judgments do not become Statutes"- "Govt has all the powers to make its own Rules (on behalf of the President) everytime there is a need" etc are common now. <br /><br />Consequently, clarifications that are issued by the Ministry/ cioncerned Depott to neutralsie a JUDGMENT becomes a statute or a "law" unto themselves!. Such despotic actions are frustrating. Aggrieved can not go on fighting everytime in the COURTS for remedy!!This is sheer harassment. <br /><br />Even the HSC does not pass a punishing remark on the miscreants-For eg: Very Genuine Fundamental Pension Pairty cases quoting Nakara Judgment crop up again and again becuase the Govt violates the essence of the said judgment and related Articles of Constitution again and again!. <br /><br />Everytime, similar judgments are delivered - yet the same Deptts of the Govt go scot-free and repeat the mischief again with a new set of OMs redefining the so-called Policy!. <br /><br />A judgment passed for a common grievance related to "Pension Policy" and more so in terms of the Article 14 of the Constitution in the case of Rtd Maj Gen SPS Vains case Sept 2008, is blatantly denied for similar protection to CIVILIAN pensioners stating that JUSTICE provided for MILiTERY PENSIONERS thru the above judgment can not be applied to the CIVILIAN PENSIONERS giving an atrocious excuse that the pension rules are different for them!!!<br /><br />How can "JUSTICE based on Article 14 of equality be different for the Citizens of the country?<br /><br />There are several such HOWLERS which can be cited- all built up on concocted explanations. POOR PENSIONERS WHO HAVE NO RESOURCES CAN NOT GO ON FIGHTING.<br /><br />Even Courts appear to be helpless!. <br /><br />WHAT I HAVE CONCLUDED IS ALL JUDGMENTS - WHETHER IT IS NAKARA OR AKKARA - THEY ARE ALL TREATED AS ONE-TIME RELIEFS AND ONCE THE CASE IN QUESTION IS SETTLED, A FAVOURITE JARGON SOMETHING LIKE THIS- IS USED:<br /><br />THE ISSUES OF MODIFIED PARITY AND THE CUT-OFF DATE ARE ALREADY "SETTLED" IN SUCH AND SUCH CASE. THE DEPTT IS AT LIBERTY TO MODIFY OR CHANGE OR INTRODUCE NEW ASPECTS ETC OF THE POLICY IN CONCURRENCE WITH THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE.<br /><br />(mind that - for this note they will also add that the file need not be referred to ASG or SG as the matter had already been settled by the HSC and no new issues are involved!!!)<br /><br />The above has become the "non-committal" standard "conclusive note" as the final paragraph of the Legal Opinion and what will you make of it?<br /><br />The game goes on through the immature/ unjust/ unfair/ illogical mechanism of lower levels --while our Hon Minister and the CEO of judiciary go on advocating that Govt will be the most reluctant litigant!<br /><br />There will be no occasions of "non--concurrence" as the players are mutually compatible and are hand & glove together!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-76977929564816251172010-04-30T09:47:12.992+05:302010-04-30T09:47:12.992+05:30A confirmation by the litigant department before t...A confirmation by the litigant department before the Court that the pettition is being filed with/without the concurrence of the Dept of Legal Affairs and attaching the copy of the file notings to the pettition could help the Court examine and admit/reject the pettition in the initial stage. The Supreme Court could perhaps issue instruction to the Registrars of High Courts to this effect and reduce the number of litigations to some extent.anilparanjpyenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-18757554842580555512010-04-28T20:16:54.081+05:302010-04-28T20:16:54.081+05:30In a lighter vain:
Why fret and fume - one agains...In a lighter vain:<br /><br />Why fret and fume - one against the other?<br /><br />Wverybody appears to be doing his best to maintain his professional integrity and commitment!<br /><br />A soldier fights the enemy up to his last bullet!<br /><br />A lawyer fights the opponent up to his last appeal!<br /><br />A babu screws up all up to the last thread!<br /><br />Let the foulest survive!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-64068196627882121702010-04-27T22:52:20.275+05:302010-04-27T22:52:20.275+05:30AND IT IS BECAUSE OF THIS THAT THE BABUS GET EMBOL...AND IT IS BECAUSE OF THIS THAT THE BABUS GET EMBOLDENED TO DO THIS:<br /><br />It is , therefore, most humbly and respectfully prayed that this Hon'ble Court may be pleased to pass the following orders:-<br /><br /> <br /><br /> (a) Recall the order dated 8th March 2010;.<br /><br /> <br /><br /> (b) Upon notice, re-hear all the cases on merits;<br /><br /> <br /><br /> (c) Admit Writ petition Nos. ......................................, grant rule nisi and hear <br /><br /> them finally;<br /><br /> <br /><br /> (d) Call for the records of the Writ Petitions filed in the various High <br /><br /> Courts, .......................................... and after the completion of pleadings, hear <br /><br /> the same finally;<br /><br /> <br /><br /> (e) Pending further orders on the application grant an ad interim stay of the order <br /><br /> dated 8th March 2010;<br /><br /> <br /><br /> (f) Pass such other and further orders as this Hom'ble Court may deem fit and proper <br /><br /> in the facts and circumstances of the present case.<br /><br /> <br /><br /> <br /><br /> Filed by:<br /><br /> Advocate for the petitioner<br /><br /> Settled By;<br /><br /> Sh Gopal Subramanium<br /><br /> Solicitor General<br /><br /> FIGHTER - YOU DON"T FIGHT YOU GET HADAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-47297349413673858762010-04-27T08:59:13.759+05:302010-04-27T08:59:13.759+05:30My two cents:
Although we might say that what has...My two cents:<br /><br />Although we might say that what has been discussed above is not relevant to the post. However, I disagree. <br /><br />As fighter said... "issue raised by major navdeep in this particular blog is the repeated appeals by highers ups against the orders of courts so that govt itself has turned to be the biggest litigant..."<br /><br />I fail to see how this is away from what anonymous is saying. The litigant in this case is govt, and who is the govt? The politician is there to only give a nod to whatever twist and turn is given to any issue by the "govt". Who are these higher ups who despite of being almost reprimanded by the Supreme Court of India, go on filing litigations? Why are they against the welfare of armed forces, especially the retired ones?. <br /><br />In these respects, I tend to agree with anonymous that yes, the "govt" being run by IAS by proxy is very much responsible for the total degradation in all walks of life, and also for Armed Forces. It <b> is </b> the colonial mindset that is allowing such degradation to take place. Once this degradation is stopped, things will begin to fall in place. <br /><br />A also agree with Fighter that reform is not going to happen any time soon. However, the design, intent and modus operandi has to be seen and learned so that every one can see what is happening.Kapsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-4786826961892965752010-04-26T21:16:53.083+05:302010-04-26T21:16:53.083+05:30@FIGHTER 26 April 2010 8.55 PM .I agree with what ...@FIGHTER 26 April 2010 8.55 PM .I agree with what you say .Irrelevant comments should not be allowed .Such comments waste the time of other people and are off the mark .We are not here to fight with one another ,but to learn from each other .LT.COL.(RETD) K.B.MATHURhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09448185714665532013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-8095794789714735762010-04-26T20:55:55.119+05:302010-04-26T20:55:55.119+05:30@ anonymous April 26, 2010 5:41
again i keep my s...@ anonymous April 26, 2010 5:41<br /><br />again i keep my same stand .<br />this website is for raising issues concerning armed forces .<br />not for maligning other services .<br /><br />raise the issues concerning armed forces in clear terms . do not target IAS or IPS or any other service from behind the viel . just remain focused on armed forces issue .<br />issue raised by major navdeep in this particular blog is the repeated appeals by highers ups against the orders of courts so that govt itself has turned to be the biggest litigant .<br /><br />u have taken the issue to IAS or ips BASHING<br /><br />so my request is just to remain focussed .<br />thanks .<br /><br />THANKS AND REGARDSFIGHTERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02263146352563937217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-23071961942121206712010-04-26T17:45:36.734+05:302010-04-26T17:45:36.734+05:30@ Fighter - I really fail to see why you want to t...@ Fighter - I really fail to see why you want to term it as WAR between the civilian and the Army. I am sure it would not be with malicious intent? If you read the posts you will notice that it is about systemic degradation which one cannot accept as innate but catalysed by an agency. <br />So by bringing the issue to a WAR between the Civil and the Army is like twisting the core issue by a socially prim statement. Like what politicians do when they want their vile designs to be given a sympathic ear by flavouring it with religion and caste.<br />What we are talking of is Civil services Reforms. which are needed urgently. The reforming of an organisation that has refused to break away from the Colonial rulers arrogance. Tell me- Why is a District administrative Officer called a Collector in free India? What does he collect?<br />Why does he still stick on to the Palatial one Acre bungalow when office space is scarce for good administration? Why cant the IPS and IAS officers live alongwith other Gp A officers like the Central Excise and Revenue and Income Tax depts in a city in Govt housing flats of their grade? Why cant IPS officers rub shoulders with CRPF men at the Platoon /Company level so that they would not send them to their deaths due to ignorance of operational subtleties?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-64357825839262731952010-04-26T14:59:16.393+05:302010-04-26T14:59:16.393+05:30@ anonymous April 23, 2010 10:09 PM
i think fear ...@ anonymous April 23, 2010 10:09 PM<br /><br />i think fear expressed are totally unfounded . total diversion from the the issue . <br />this blog is not for IAS bashing or promote a war among civilians v/s army .i think we we must be remain focussed about demands and needs of armed forces .<br />closing down IAS or any civil service is not a possibility in near future .<br /><br />we must remember that beyond 10 -12 laks of armed forces everbody is counted as a civilian.<br /><br />any deviation from core issues is just wastage of time , like i am writing here is totally useless . <br /><br />this is not the purpose of this blog at all .<br /><br />thanks to allFIGHTERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02263146352563937217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-26591735560275234092010-04-25T19:34:05.451+05:302010-04-25T19:34:05.451+05:30@ Anonymous said... It is about the role of women ...<i>@ Anonymous said... It is about the role of women in defence services .....April 25, 2010 4:00 PM</i><br />Here is something I read about women in the Armed forces especially since when the debate was hot we had a lot of IPS officers advocating it for the fighting arms even though they do not practice what they preach.<br /><br /><i> While going through this Dantewada Massacre(?) I wonder why the Big Bindi Females and those Female Activists who scream better than Banshees on TV are missing. Isn't this the ideal launchpad to induct women into a combat force? The male IPS officers are shitting bricks and are volunteer LOB.(Left Out of Battle). <br />SO<br />Why don't we have the women IPS officers leading the CRPF men at the Company/Battalion Level? After all those Big Bindi Horror show Prototypes talked about women in combat in the LTTE and Naxals cadres. So why don't they start here. No mine fields to cross - no artillery fire - no enemy who will capture and rape a 1000 times - <br />SO<br /> isn't this the ideal time for inducting women into the combat arm of the CPO/PMF. There was some chap called Kamwat (More like Come-what- I'll talk) the DG BSF who spoke on TV gloating about how women had been inducted into the BSF. Kiran Bedi spoke of how succesful they were in the Police and how the Army mindset was a roadblock to getting women to enter the combat arms of the Armed forces. As an IPS officer let Kiran Bedi put her mouth where the money is and ensure that women IPS officer lead the CRPF Battalions at the Company and Battalion level in the jungles. Let her show that the mindset can be removed starting from the organisation she claims to have made radical changes in?</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-4380816319656672352010-04-25T17:06:57.886+05:302010-04-25T17:06:57.886+05:30@ Col KB Mathur
I am a AVM from 39 th NDA. I know...@ Col KB Mathur<br /><br />I am a AVM from 39 th NDA. I know it is fashionable today to criticise the Services environment and indeed I understand I am in the minority when I speak highly about it. Maybe it is a lot emotional and part logic. regarding my views. In my defence if I may pull a quote from the French Revolution - "I may not agree with a word that you say but I defend to death your right to say it"<br /><br />God Bless all including our current generation Servicemen who I feel are fantastic and possibly better than us from the old block! CheersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-55972829068792579452010-04-25T16:00:27.569+05:302010-04-25T16:00:27.569+05:30Dear Maj Navdeep,
Sorry for deviating a little fr...Dear Maj Navdeep,<br /><br />Sorry for deviating a little from the topic of the blog, I want to know the answer of a question which is going on in my mind since I have joined the govt service as Gp 'A' officer in one of inter service organization.<br />It is about the role of women in defence services (except AFMS and MNS).As far as my knowledge goes women are not allowed in combat units of Army, AF and Navy. In army they are mainly serving in units like ASC, Ordnance ,Engineers etc.Men from these units also go for tenure in RR and AR and these units are also involved in operations in peace areas like rescue operations due to flood, earth quake, riots etc etc..my question is - Do women serving in these units also take part in operations as mentioned above in the same fashion as their male colleague ?? In case some emergency occurs somewhere in peace station the CO of the unit will also send his women officer to take part in operation and will he not prefer a Male Capt/Lt over a Lady Major??<br />If yes then its fine that they are serving the purpose for which they have been taken into service and the buck stops here.<br />If no, then <br />1. what is the compulsion to the govt to recruit women in the defence services???? <br />2. What is the compulsion to the govt to give all kind of equal benefits (and in some cases more also-as child care leave)as compared to the male counterpart.<br />3. And the latest, what is the compulsion of giving Permanent Commission to them?<br />Is it not a kind reverse discrimination and clear case of less work and equal pay???<br />At last I will like to tell that I have no ill feeling against women officers and I also acknowledge the fact that in civil side there performance are many times better than their male counter part but what about their performance in defence services??..They are enjoying all the goodies of defence services and cleverly ducking the bouncers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-48621898323391328122010-04-25T13:59:11.515+05:302010-04-25T13:59:11.515+05:30@Anonymous.I passed out of NDA in 1964.Those days ...@Anonymous.I passed out of NDA in 1964.Those days all the squadrons were full to the capacity .Today the capacity at NDA and IMA is underutilised .Have you tried to find the reasons for this .If you cant find reasonsI for this ,please talk to some serving and retired officers .They will put you wiser,I am sure .If a person joins the noble profession ,he expects to get what is due to him .And if he does not get what is due to him ,he gets frustrated .I keep reading the views of very senior ,highly decorated Generals and equivalent ranks and they are not happy the way things are .Everybody cannot be wrong .LT.COL.(RETD) K.B.MATHURhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09448185714665532013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-64365125044467154142010-04-25T12:49:52.798+05:302010-04-25T12:49:52.798+05:30@anonymous.Who is interested in the nobility of th...@anonymous.Who is interested in the nobility of the soldiering career when you yourself agree that armed forces people do not get their due at all .LT.COL.(RETD) K.B.MATHURhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09448185714665532013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-92217340480380317792010-04-25T10:15:06.210+05:302010-04-25T10:15:06.210+05:30@ANONY at 1009pm.
Couldn't agree more with y...@ANONY at 1009pm. <br /><br />Couldn't agree more with your views. A slow and steady coup by the steel frame is taking place and the media seems to be working hand in glove with this process. The governance has become absolutely opaque and is favoring only the resourceful. Even if RTI has been called a new weapon, the steel frame is ensuring that it stays insular.<br /><br />Huge number of service laws and amendments meant only to make the position of a civil "servant" unaccountable is disturbing. Sixth PC was just one more tool for these guys to strengthen their place. Where is this going to lead, is any-body's guess. Due to this reason alone we hear statements like "we need to put military in its place" from highest level of bureucrazy. Power without responsibility and pilf without accountability, that seems to be the new motto of LBA.Kapsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-77143696705393628482010-04-25T08:39:58.316+05:302010-04-25T08:39:58.316+05:30@ Lt Col KB Mathur
Personally, I have a nephew i...@ Lt Col KB Mathur<br /><br />Personally, I have a nephew in the Army and another one in the Corporate. The Army one is the cynosure in the eyes of the complete family. He recently commanded a UN parade and it was a real proud moment. Tell me how many of the corporate guys enjoy those kind of experiences.<br /><br />I think it is a question of perception. I agree though that in the environment of fallen ethics and values, Army guys do not get their due at all - but in my perception, that does not reduce the sheen of the nobility of the soldering career.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-30690813840266264222010-04-24T19:37:14.189+05:302010-04-24T19:37:14.189+05:30@anonymous.Armed forces used to be a good career o...@anonymous.Armed forces used to be a good career option long time back .It is not so today .Are the members of the Armed Forces ,serving or retired getting the treatment that they deserve .Please reply .LT.COL.(RETD) K.B.MATHURhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09448185714665532013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-39024715780507694002010-04-24T15:38:53.418+05:302010-04-24T15:38:53.418+05:30@ Harry - you are not cynical but intellectual in...@ Harry - you are not cynical but intellectual in your views.<br /><br />Having been associated with NDA for past 25-30 yrs, I am in variance with some views expressed in this and other blogs. While, it may be a fact that not many in the young generation select Army as a profession today - the intake and motivation continues to be very strong. In fact, excellent outputs continue to be churned out today, if not better than the past. Soldering, is and will in my humble opinion, continue to remain the best profession in India by a mile, despite the so called 'lucrative corporate options' available today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-59791199940616214542010-04-24T12:36:00.866+05:302010-04-24T12:36:00.866+05:30Sorry for sounding cynical but I don't think t...Sorry for sounding cynical but I don't think things are going to change for better in a hurry! But yes NO HARM in 'hoping' for a better system (even if the hope appears to be more of a 'pipedream'!)Harryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10192867696697852328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-24311148989527244102010-04-23T22:09:58.626+05:302010-04-23T22:09:58.626+05:30@FIGHTER said...bashing of civilians or armed forc...<i>@FIGHTER said...bashing of civilians or armed forces </i><br />Though you carry the nom de plume of Fighter I guess names are deceptive.<br /><b>Over the years the prim & proper service upbringing of the Armed Forces has made them lump the systemic degradation with decency. Decency was taken as a sign of weakness. How come whenever the truth is stated somebody on the blog wants its deleted. Facts are bitter.<br />There is a chap called Pragmatic who takes every step to bring down the services. When anti-services posts come in he gets orgasmic but changes the topic or deletes the truth when facts about the Babus are posted. In fact Pragmatic frequently picks up his frugal knowledge from glossy US magazines and tries to impress the reader. He has no opinion of his own. In fact he has the dubious distinction of commenting on every Chiefs statement. I wonder why he doesn't make the same when the Cabinet Secretary drops bloomers.<br /> In the Civil Services Reforms Committe the IAS has even expressed its desire to bring the Police force down to a Directorate Status. This way the Politician who is unsure of his next five years and the other Civil Services will be under command this bunch of irresponsible and unnacountable rogues.<br />It is not a question of the Civil -vs- Military. The average Civil Servant has respect for the Armed forces but it is the IAS whose designs to control the Govt machinery is being thwarted by the Military not toeing the line. <br />That is why the systemic degradation.<br />It is not only the question of external security. It is also a question of an Bureaucratic Coup where the IAS plans to overthrow the Politician and install a Bureaucratic Autocracy where politicians will cease to be democraticaly elected and will be fall guys for bureaucratic incompetance.<br />The Bureaucratic Coup being planned by the IAS is deadlier than a Military coup since it will lead to a National Decay. <br />In the Lal Bahadur Academy probationer IAS trainees are indoctrinated into this thought process which is evident from the papers they write. The Brahminical caste of the IAS is also keen to ensure that the State Civil services do not get on their pedestal. That is why even tough the Britishers have left the country the IAS still deals with states as though they belong to an Abstract Nation under whose occupation the Indian States have been placed. <br />Think about it fighter? At some stage you have to stand up for your rights especially when you are being taken for granted.</b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-16014916211211102862010-04-23T15:03:02.318+05:302010-04-23T15:03:02.318+05:30reading the whole comments it appears that people ...reading the whole comments it appears that people erred in recognising the problem and <br />projecting it as civilian v/s army .<br />people may talk anything about free ration etc . . one need not to bother and browbeat the issue .<br /><br />every body has a right to have its entitled ration ot other facilities weather it is a civilian or fauji .<br /><br />neither the issue in question here is corruption by civilians or armed forces .<br /><br />so readers are requested to write only relevent comment pertaining to that particular blog only .<br /><br />other wise we shall not reach anywhere .<br /><br />i request the administrator to delete the irrevelent comments or <br />bashing of civilians or armed forces .<br /><br />let us concentrate on core service matters of armed forces which is the main objective of this blog .<br /><br />let us use this blog to educate us on sound logic .FIGHTERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02263146352563937217noreply@blogger.com