tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post1338875936217892548..comments2024-02-08T22:01:40.101+05:30Comments on Indian Military : Service Benefits and Issues: Better news and addition of MSP fitment for pre 1-1-2006 (and pre 1-9-2008) pensioners in the offing ? Yes & NoNavdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-91679188355822886612011-05-19T14:05:33.611+05:302011-05-19T14:05:33.611+05:30Pradip Talukdar
Ex-Nk(TS)
Army No- 14455095P
Corps...Pradip Talukdar<br />Ex-Nk(TS)<br />Army No- 14455095P<br />Corps Of Signals<br />Retired on - 30.04.1995<br />Trade- OTC<br /><br />Sir, My quaries is about 70%pension and MSP.As on date, I am getting pension Rs 7304/-. If it is possible to reply me about my quaries.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-26587672476706875892008-12-01T12:37:00.000+05:302008-12-01T12:37:00.000+05:30I took premature retirement in the rank of col (se...I took premature retirement in the rank of col (selection grade) in june05 after putting in 23 yrs 9 months service. My pension was fixed at Rs 12278/- (commuted pension 6999/-). What will be my revised pension? What arrears will i get and when? <BR/>Will be grateful if this can be calculated.Narayan Iyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06455170025545729280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-27654037201152364872008-12-01T11:56:00.000+05:302008-12-01T11:56:00.000+05:30This comment has been removed by the author.Narayan Iyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06455170025545729280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-53489795700167870182008-11-22T23:16:00.000+05:302008-11-22T23:16:00.000+05:30@ SKP,For a Lt.Col.(Time scale) the rank pay taken...@ SKP,<BR/>For a Lt.Col.(Time scale) the rank pay taken would be that of a Maj but the basic pay would be taken of a Lt. Col.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-65860414974591543062008-11-22T23:11:00.000+05:302008-11-22T23:11:00.000+05:30@ Maj. Navdeep, You have mentioned Basic pension *...@ Maj. Navdeep,<BR/> You have mentioned Basic pension * 2.26 + 16 % DA for fitment scheme.I don't think the DA is to be added for fitment of new pension. It should read as Basic pension * 2.26 only.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-67513777757835745192008-11-20T13:31:00.000+05:302008-11-20T13:31:00.000+05:30Please see page 89 table on Basic minimum pay as r...Please see page 89 table on Basic minimum pay as recommended in 6th CPC for Lt Col is 26280/-This time also while working out the pension, our great MUNIM JI(Finance chaps) has played the trick and not considered the basic pay of Lt col but used the the minimum of Pay band while calculating the pension, which is same from Lt to Lt Col. Perhaps it suits them. What our higher up are doing?????? Please note this now at least. Why pesioners penalised. Dont worry every one has to retire one day.jaskaranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17310733945820256619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-30469715379451715472008-11-18T23:19:00.000+05:302008-11-18T23:19:00.000+05:30Please clarify Para 3.2 of the MoD letter dated 12...Please clarify Para 3.2 of the MoD letter dated 12.11.08 on pensionary benefits to soldiers retired between 1.1.06 and 31.08.08<BR/><BR/>Will MSP be included for calculating pension (hence commutation) as well as gratuity for defence officers and PBORs retired in this period? <BR/><BR/>What does the term "notionally reckonable" exactly mean? <BR/><BR/>-Ex JWO Amar Singh UjjainUjjainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12136472638694225799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-39817959970438003542008-11-17T20:24:00.000+05:302008-11-17T20:24:00.000+05:30Hi Sirs,Today MOD has published notification for p...Hi Sirs,<BR/>Today MOD has published notification for post-2006 pensioners on their website. In para 3.2, it writes "In respect of Commissioned Officers & PBOR retired/discharged/invalided/died between 01-01-2006 and 31-08-2008, the term 'Reckonable Emoluments' as defined above para 3.1 will apply except that Military Service Pay will reckon notionally for reckonable emoluments in such cases" What does it mean? MSP will be counted or not? Please throw some light.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-88740402325023842902008-11-17T20:17:00.000+05:302008-11-17T20:17:00.000+05:30In a way, alot of our own problems are created by ...In a way, alot of our own problems are created by our own shortsightedness.While every other organisation lets its officers go on deputation to other services we actively dissuade this practice and remain koopmandooksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-14128526244916165912008-11-17T16:05:00.000+05:302008-11-17T16:05:00.000+05:30What is the interpretation of " min of pay in the ...What is the interpretation of " min of pay in the pay band --corresponding to scale(of rank/post) from.....retired" in this. “The consolidation of pension will further be subject to the provision that the consolidated pension, in no case shall be lower than fifty percent of the "minimum of the "pay" in the pay band" plus the grade pay "corresponding to the pre revised scale from which the pensioner had retired/discharged" including Military Service Pay and ‘X’ Group pay where applicable"<BR/>The point that needs to be considered is as to what would constitute " THE MINIMUM OF THE PAY IN THE PAY BAND ........FROM WHICH THE PENSIONER HAD RETIRED...."billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16681382270335441492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-29431593258857653952008-11-17T15:34:00.000+05:302008-11-17T15:34:00.000+05:30Dear Navdeep,Why has the pension been fixwd at &qu...Dear Navdeep,<BR/>Why has the pension been fixwd at "lowest of pay band"This means that ALL in PB4 ie Col(&LT COL when incl) to LtGen will get same pension (except margnal increase due higher GP).On the face of it this seems illogical. Is it same for the civilians?or is it for Armed Forces only?In 5CPC it was "Min of revised pay of post (rank)held by the pensioner at the time of retirement" <BR/>Could you pl clarify for info of all.billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16681382270335441492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-65551619084692706872008-11-17T12:28:00.000+05:302008-11-17T12:28:00.000+05:30before getting so excited about ESM just see what ...before getting so excited about ESM just see what Gen khanduri has done.<BR/>he did not even utter a single sentence offically in favour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-84550140317020871092008-11-16T23:14:00.000+05:302008-11-16T23:14:00.000+05:30Excellent idea about electing ESMs. Can Navdeep th...Excellent idea about electing ESMs. Can Navdeep throw some light? Can all serving and ex servicemen get permission / rights / cards to vote from one constituency only? maybe we can elect somebody like Navdeep to take care of our interests with these bastards !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-82122240016092994322008-11-16T23:10:00.000+05:302008-11-16T23:10:00.000+05:30CAPS ONLY TO GRAB ATTENTION All serving personnel ...CAPS ONLY TO GRAB ATTENTION <BR/>All serving personnel and ex servicemen should be able vote for an ex serviceman only,, from one or two constituencies. Is this legally possible for the three services to achieve ? Can anyone educate me. We can all pitch in and sort out these babus and ministers once for all, if this fever spreads, over a period of time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-88267610915204421442008-11-16T19:49:00.000+05:302008-11-16T19:49:00.000+05:30@Ex-SergeantIt is true that 33yrs was not mentione...@Ex-Sergeant<BR/>It is true that 33yrs was not mentioned for availing full pension in SPC report. However, it has been now incorporated by the CoS who reviewed the report and it is applicable only to past pensioners. Yet another case against past defence pensioners, as only they do not complete 33yrs for full pension.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-29702516611572943342008-11-16T19:27:00.000+05:302008-11-16T19:27:00.000+05:30Respected Sir , OM No. 38/37/08 P& PW(A) Pt. 1...Respected Sir , <BR/>OM No. 38/37/08 P& PW(A) Pt. 1 dated 14 Oct 2008 for pre 2006 central govt. pensioners Annex. 1 put up scale of 5000-150-8000 in 9300-34800 (as per 6 CPC) + grade pay 4200 . Minimum pension for them = Rs. 6750.<BR/><BR/>Where as our Havaldar of Army who was in the same scale is put up in 5200-20800 + Grade pay 2800 (by sixth CPC) + MSP 2000 + X group pay 1400 Total = 11400<BR/>If we agree by 50% then also it comes to Rs. 5700.<BR/><BR/>Moreover letter sent by MOD to the Three service chiefs say that as per Annex. I - Havaldar Gp. X of 16 Yrs of service will get pension of Rs. 4899.<BR/>In the same letter as per ANNex. III says Havaldar of 16 Yrs will get pension of Rs. 3800 and it is less than the Sepoy and Naik pension as reflected in the same annexure .<BR/><BR/>A civilian counterpart of Havaldar gets pension arrears calculated around Rs. 75000/- whereas Havaldar gets around Rs. 28000/- as arrears .<BR/><BR/>In your blog only you told us that a PBOR will get full pension in 15 Years but this letter says it will be in 33 Yrs.<BR/><BR/>Can you tell us the source of your formula for pension i.e. Reviewed pension = 2.26 X Existing pension + 50% MSP + 50% X Gp pay ?<BR/><BR/>Will the pension be fixed on two dates (i) 01 Jan 2006 (ii) Sep 2008 ?<BR/><BR/>From which date MSp & X Gp. PAy is calculated for pension ?Yogesh Sharmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05645392451621823692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-4968572515050481152008-11-16T18:28:00.000+05:302008-11-16T18:28:00.000+05:30The V Pay Commission recomendatio reads as folows:...The V Pay Commission recomendatio reads as folows:<BR/>iii) Pending revision of the pension of pre-1.1.1986 retires, the pensioners should be provided immediate relief by authorising pension disbursing authorities to consolidate the pension by adding basic pension, personal pension wherever admissible, dearness relief as on 1.1.1996 on basic pension only, interim relief (I & II) and 20% basic pension. The consolidated pension shall not be less than 50% of the minimum revised pay in the pay scale recommended by the Fifth Central Pay Commission of the post held by the pensioner at the time of retirement. (137.15)<BR/> <BR/><BR/>Accepted with the modification that 40% of the basic pension shall be added while consolidating the pension as on 1-1-1996 but the pension consolidated as on 1-1-96 shall be raised to 50% of the minimum of the revised pay of the post held by the pensioner at the time of retirement.<BR/> 45/86/97-P&PW(A) Part-II date 27.10.99 45/10/98-P&PW(A) date 17.12.98<BR/><BR/>No where it is said that the pension should be reduced proportionately for less no. of years served.<BR/><BR/>P.Vigneshwar RajuP.Vigneshwar Rajuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02670571658633663482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-61908204783192094272008-11-16T18:16:00.000+05:302008-11-16T18:16:00.000+05:30Please read 'no benifit' instead of 'benifit' in f...Please read 'no benifit' instead of 'benifit' in first line of my last post<BR/><BR/>P.Vigneshwar RajuP.Vigneshwar Rajuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02670571658633663482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-44774044973291600512008-11-16T18:06:00.000+05:302008-11-16T18:06:00.000+05:30Sir,There is benifit for the ORs discharged betwee...Sir,<BR/>There is benifit for the ORs discharged between 15 to 20 years. in most of the cases the minimum guaranteed pension is less than minimum pension. The minimum of pay band what they have taken is not correct. As per definition of 'Pay in the Pay Band' it is Pay drawn in the running pay band. It should be minimum of pay drawn in the pay band ie. 'minimum pay fixed for each rank'.Once pay drawn in the pay band and grade pay is taken as basic pay, how only grade pay is taken for consideration of minimum pay. Is it not a glare anomaly? If you see the recommendations of V Pay Commission available on Pensioner's portal, the minimum of pay is taken to each post for calculation of minimum pension.<BR/><BR/>What about the 70% of weightage? for Jawans as it was agreed in principle by the Govt. <BR/><BR/>If it is compared with V Pay Commission, the minimum pension so calculated is comming to only 20%.<BR/>Why this eyewash? It is really a grave injustice to the PBORs. <BR/><BR/>P.Vigneshwar RajuP.Vigneshwar Rajuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02670571658633663482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-91388332749008096902008-11-16T17:12:00.000+05:302008-11-16T17:12:00.000+05:30@ MGBThe pension of LtCol and above will not be th...@ MGB<BR/>The pension of LtCol and above will not be the same as Grade Pay is more for senior ranks. 50% Grade Pay is also taken into account for fitment of pension for past pensioners.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-24349714623804272392008-11-16T16:28:00.000+05:302008-11-16T16:28:00.000+05:30By now it should be clear to all that the euphoria...By now it should be clear to all that the euphoria generated by inclusion of MSP for Pre-2006 pensioners was indeed premature. As Navadeep so correctly recorded, the MSP element is not universally applied.<BR/>Once Lt.Cols get the PB4 status, amongst the Pre-2006 group, all Lt.Cols to Lt.Generals(Non-Army Commander) will get the same pension.MBGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15773694698103722495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-72155310686234480642008-11-16T12:40:00.000+05:302008-11-16T12:40:00.000+05:30For all Civilian friends, We all joined our servic...For all Civilian friends, <BR/><BR/>We all joined our services knowing where we stand in terms of pay against those in the other services at the time of joining. In any case the same was made known in due course.<BR/><BR/>If you all had a problem with a Lt Col getting more pay than a director, you could have resigned in protest or better still joined the armed forces (the entry to which seems to be much easier, going by your previous blogs).<BR/><BR/>If the govt feels that the nature of tasks carried out by a Lt Col is inferior to that by a director, (as an average of his employment in the course of his service), the same may be made known publically and the lower revised pay made applicable for those joining the armed forces henceforth. <BR/><BR/>It will automatically direct the youth towards the cushy, higher paying civilian job. I'm sure all of us will like our children to decide as such. I for sure will.IndianACEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14042998466296508087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-10937769388424201022008-11-16T12:35:00.000+05:302008-11-16T12:35:00.000+05:30Pension calculation based on minimumm of scale of ...Pension calculation based on minimumm of scale of 6th CPC as shown in Annx.II Of Govt. letter appears illogical and unjust.2/Lt to Lt Col pensions are fixed in a narrow band of 13500 to 14600.Also, Col to Lt Gen the pensions are in a further narrower band of 26050 to 26150.The differential in pension of Lt Col and Col is huge(14600 and 26050 respectively)to the disadvantage of Lt Col,while that between all other successive ranks are marginal-of a few hundred rupees or even NIL as in the case of Brig to Lt Gen. The benefit of logic and justice have accrued only to Cols who would prefer to choose this option for their pension.The others have no choice but to accept the option at para 4.1 of the Govt letter(ie.previous basic pension*2.26) which excludes the element of MSP in the computation of pension. So either way,everyone (except Cols) come out losers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-83639819032781859082008-11-16T11:26:00.000+05:302008-11-16T11:26:00.000+05:30My dear friendThe concept of rank pay has been int...My dear friend<BR/>The concept of rank pay has been introduced intentionally by SCPC. To purpose is to convey all, what they are and with whom they should equate themselves. The SCPC has not raised any anomaly in this regard, rather it has corrected many. Best of Luck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-51814947296929913222008-11-16T08:55:00.000+05:302008-11-16T08:55:00.000+05:30UPDATE ON PLACING OF LT COL IN PB-4 AS REPORTED BY...UPDATE ON PLACING OF LT COL IN PB-4 AS REPORTED BY SHIV AROOR<BR/><BR/>In the early November meeting between Expenditure Secretary Sushama Nath and the three service chiefs, a presentation was made by the services side stressing on the "historical equations" between a Lt Col and NFSG pay scales back from the 3rdPC. It was also indicated during the presentation that fitment for Lt Cols given by the 6thPC was equal to S-25 and higher than S-24 scales, based on existing scales.<BR/><BR/>The chiefs pointed to the iniquity thereby introduced between Lt Col and Superintendent Engineers and Commandants in the Paramilitary Forces since the latter had a pre-revised scale of Rs 14,300-18,300 as against a Lt Col who had a pre-revised scale of Rs 15,100-18,700. The chiefs made it a point to emphasise that Lt Cols, though superior in scales, are "functionally on par with Supdt Engrs". Therefore, they said, there was no reason why a Lt Col must not be accomodated in Payband-4, especially when civil counterparts with inferior scales had been moved into that payband.<BR/><BR/>Army chief General Deepak Kapoor and Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta then spoke about the "functional problems" in the Army apropos Assam Rifles and Central Paramiliary Forces, and between the Navy and the Coast Guard respectively with regard to command and control issues. They pointed out that as civil officers who were inferior in pay scales to Lt Col, they had been granted higher pay band and grades pay than a Lt Col and, in fact, equal to a Colonel.<BR/><BR/>Once the presentation was finished, Expenditure Secretary Sushama Nath said that the arugments about Rank Pay discussed earlier "equally apply in this case". She also said that the services viewpoint on Rank Pay would be conveyed to Pranab Mukherjee.<BR/><BR/>Next, she mentioned that were standing objections from the Paramilitary Forces against placing Lt Cols in PB-4. According to sources, Army chief General Deepak Kapoor almost lost his cool at this stage. With visible irritation, he is understood to have said that such an attitude was negative and the Paramiltiary forces had no business commenting on the legitimate requirements of the armed forces. Mentioning the "incorrect and misleading" equation of Lt Col with Second-in-Command of the CPMFs, Gen Kapoor further stressed that replacement scales had to be determined on pre-revised scales as had been done by successive pay commissions and not based on appointments/ranks/posts/badges of rank etc. This part of the meeting was rounded off with Admiral Mehta saying that there was no option before the government but to place Lt Cols in PB-4.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com