tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post110598693709739363..comments2024-02-08T22:01:40.101+05:30Comments on Indian Military : Service Benefits and Issues: Pay & Pension Anomalies : TV panel discussion on the committee formed by the Prime MinisterNavdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comBlogger98125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-51625562564397312672012-11-23T16:07:23.110+05:302012-11-23T16:07:23.110+05:30Please intimate regarding the new pension table &a...Please intimate regarding the new pension table & the pension of Honorary Naib Subedar who have served in Army as Infantry Soldier in Group 'Y' and retired on completion of 24 years service on or after 01 January 2006 as per instruction of Government of India, Ministry of Defence on accepting the demand of one rank one pension on 24 September 2012. With Best regards, Honorary Naib Subedar Vijai KumarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-82841101520484014872012-09-12T12:25:02.898+05:302012-09-12T12:25:02.898+05:30How can people say MSP is new element of pay. If i...How can people say MSP is new element of pay. If it so, if we take it (MSP) as new element of pay then how about rank pay which was given in IVth and Vth CPC is not figuring in VI CPC. The rank pay was not given in VIth CPC instead MSP was introduced. If MSP was introduced in place of rank pay then how come MSP had become a new element of pay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-42635070191047021972012-09-12T12:14:37.687+05:302012-09-12T12:14:37.687+05:30Yes you have brought out things in very right spir...Yes you have brought out things in very right spirit as to how and what the Bureaucrats are behaving. They always say yes for everything but never honour their "Yes", this is what their style of functioning.<br /><br />See how smart are they in fixing the rank pay in Vth CPC. What ever rank pay they deducted from the emoluments and show and separately has fetched DA over it @ 170% till before the day the Vth CPC arrears were paid. Vth CPC arrears were paid to us in Jan 1998. Till before Jan 1998 ie till Dec 1977 the DA paid was 170%. The rank pay forms as part of Basic Pay and accrues DA over it. If a Captain's rank pay was 200/- per month, In Dec 1977 the DA over it @ 170% was Rs 340/- thereby making the total rank pay including DA was Rs 540/- in Dec 1997. From 01 Jan 1996 in Vth CPC the rank pay for a captain fixed was Rs 400/- which was much less than the total rank pay drawn by a captain till before the Vth CPC arrears were paid in Jan 1998. The rank pay of other ranks from Major to Brig drawn till Dec 1977 with DA @ 170% was much more than the rank pay fixed in Vth CPC. Fixing of rank pay was totally incorrect as the aim and purpose of successive pay commissions are to increase and grant step up in the pay. This was not ensured by the Bureaucrats. This is what the smartness. Let us hope at least now that the Govt fixes the rank pay correctly as per the Judgment of the Honourable Supreme Court of India of 04 Sep 2012 and then the arrears paid accordingly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-57786179906396015152012-09-10T13:44:06.520+05:302012-09-10T13:44:06.520+05:30FIXATION OF RANK PAY BY THE GOVERNMENT
Dear Sir,
...FIXATION OF RANK PAY BY THE GOVERNMENT<br /><br />Dear Sir,<br /><br /> Finally we won the case in Honourable Supreme Court of India after struggling for 26 years. The government (So called Beaurocrats may be thinking of fixing rank pay now for IV & Vth CPCs to honour the Honourable Supreme Court Judgment of 04 Sep 2012). <br /><br /> The following table clearly shows as to how smart were the Beaurocrats in fixing the rank pay for Vth CPC: -<br /><br /> <br />Rank Month & Yr Rank Pay DA % DA Total Rank Pay<br /> IV CPC Rank Pay Fixed in<br /> Paid V CPC<br />Capt Dec-97 200 170% 340 540 400<br />Major/Lt Col (TS) Dec-97 600 170% 1020 1620 1200<br />Lt Col (S) Dec-97 800 170% 1360 2160 1600<br />Col Dec-97 1000 170% 1700 2700 2000<br />Brig Dec-97 1200 170% 2040 3240 2400<br /><br /> Though the Vth CPC recommendations were implemented with effect from 01 Jan 96, it took 2 years to pay the arrears. The Arrears of Vth CPC were paid in Jan 1998. Till Dec 1997 we were getting wrongly fixed rank pay deducted from the basic pay and shown separately with DA 170% there on. As on 31 Dec 1997 the total rank pay with DA 170% drawn by us is shown in rend font in the above given table. The rank pay deducted from basic pay and fixed as such in Vth CPC shown in green font in the table above, was much less than the rank pay received in IV CPC. The aim of pay fixation in successive pay commissions is to increase and step up the pay but not to decrease the pay drawn in previous CPC. The rank pay with effect from 01 Jan 1996 should be above the amounts shown in red font for each rank in the table given above. <br /><br /> We must keep a watch now as to what rank pay the Beaurocrats fix for both the CPCs it IV and Vth. The starting rank pay in Vth CPC wef 01 Jan 1996 should not be less than the IVth CPC rank pay plus 170% DA thereon.<br /><br /> Let us appraise our Service Headquarters apart from our own fight so that they can also keep watch on further progress in the Govt in this regard.<br /><br /> I have got valid evidence for payment of rank pay and DA 170% till the month of Dec 1997, immediately before paying arrears and fixing new pay of Vth CPC in Jan 1998. I have got all my monthly pay-slips right from date of my commissioning and date of retirement. These pay slips are authority for as to what we have gotAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-39245503385095029092012-08-23T17:04:20.184+05:302012-08-23T17:04:20.184+05:30DEFENCE HP ANOMALY COM APPEARS TO BE ALIVE- VN
Sou...DEFENCE HP ANOMALY COM APPEARS TO BE ALIVE- VN<br />Source: Gconnect.In<br />Wednesday, August 22, 2012<br />Defence Pay Anomaly after 6CPC<br />Correcting Anomalies in Sixth Central Pay Commission <br />Recommendations of the Sixth Central Pay Commission and several improvements made thereon by the Government have been largely well received by the armed forces personnel including ex-servicemen. Some issues regarding service conditions, pay, pension and allowances have subsequently been received. These issues are examined by the Government on case to case basis.<br /><br />In the matter relating to retirement benefits, an Anomaly Committee was set up under the Chairmanship of Secretary (Defence/Finance). This Committee identified some anomalies which have since been addressed to by the Government.<br /><br />Improvement of service conditions, pay, allowances and retirement benefits of armed forces personnel is a continuous process. Recently, a Committee headed by the Cabinet Secretary has been set up to look into certain issues of relevance to the defence service personnel and ex-servicemen and to provide suitable recommendations.<br /><br />This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in a written reply to Shri Mohd. Ali Khan in Rajya Sabha today.<br /><br />Source: Press Information BureauV Natarajannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-45750372037872032202012-08-11T19:22:37.741+05:302012-08-11T19:22:37.741+05:30Dear Interested,
As lot of discussions are taking ...Dear Interested,<br />As lot of discussions are taking place on NFU Scheme for Civilian Org Services personnel, I have posted today 11 Aug 2012 0515 pm some FAQ details as available from DOPT source, in the other thread in this website- topic is entitled: <br />(Thursday, August 9, 2012)<br />" What can be legitimately expected? : PM appointed Committee of Secretaries looking into Pay and Pension anomalies"<br />VNV Natarajannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-35805631822441613562012-08-10T17:37:28.760+05:302012-08-10T17:37:28.760+05:30pl refer previous comments .
if railway people al...pl refer previous comments .<br /><br />if railway people already reaching HAG scale on functional basis , then NFFU scheme has got no meaning for them . <br /><br />If NFFU effectively mean elevation og grade pay by 1000 or 1500 , it is not that beneficial .<br /><br />yes in the case where there is change of pay band from PB 3 to PB 4 , while raising GP 7600 to 8700 in PB$ , the rise is substantial . other wise it only amount to rise of about 2000 including DA .<br /><br />pl dont take offence , i am not at all against AF's getting it .rajkumarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-19039346832033859562012-08-10T10:03:27.841+05:302012-08-10T10:03:27.841+05:30Actually, ,mr rajkumar is wrong. Most organized Gr...Actually, ,mr rajkumar is wrong. Most organized Group 'A' service officers (except some in certain Services like CPES/MES etc where promotions are very slow) reach atleast SAG level on functional basis, so yes, they get HAG pay on NFU basis.<br /><br /> Infact in railway engineering services (IRSE), 90% direct-recruit officers thru UPSC are retiring in HAG on functional basis!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-16901609840931310802012-08-10T08:48:00.654+05:302012-08-10T08:48:00.654+05:30continued fromabove..,
rajkumar ji,
u have mentio...continued fromabove..,<br />rajkumar ji,<br /><br />u have mentioned that defence officers also got arrears for grade pay. yes they got. what i am talking about is arrears for MSP which were denied because it was said that MSP is a new element of pay for defence officers. Similarly grade pay was a new element of pay for civilian offcers in 6 cpc,but everyone was given arrears. so u see the difference in the perception for defence forces. <br /><br />and thank u for making people believe that NFU arrears will be given for defence officers. we will all see what is announced and what is interpreted in a few days time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-6382092753759108392012-08-10T08:41:33.245+05:302012-08-10T08:41:33.245+05:30rajkumarji,
sorry if a sentence in my comments hur...rajkumarji,<br />sorry if a sentence in my comments hurt u. by tom, dick and harry, as u would have understood i meant, everyone and it was by no means a comment on their competence or intelligence. sorry for that.<br /><br />for u every civil officer becoming a director and getting NFU of jt secretary 10000 grade pay and enjoy the same for more than 10 years till retirement may not be a big deal. in armed forces,becoming a colonel itself is a big deal. does it not clearly show the difference between civil governement official and defence officer. rest is for u to comprehend and argue. thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-69565262704784824262012-08-09T21:45:53.669+05:302012-08-09T21:45:53.669+05:30pl refer comment above .
firstly i have no objecti...pl refer comment above .<br />firstly i have no objection to armed forces getting NFU or any scheme better than this .<br /><br />Secondly I was was just forewarning of pifalls , we also had very high hopes from NFU but all hopes shattered by conditions put later on . <br /><br />thirdly for those who are already in Dir scale GP 8700 placement in GP of rs 10000 is not a very big deal .<br /><br />forthly AF also got arrears of grade pay and they will also get arrears of NFU dont worry .<br /><br />fifthly officers of GP A organised services are not tom dick or harry . I humbly request you to take back our words .ven Maj navdeep who owns your blog will not support you , I sincierly hope .<br /><br />sixthly logic of 10 percent is very clear , not more than 10 percent of GP A officers are promoted to SAG level to be eligible to NFU scale of HAG <br />thanks and regardsrajkumarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-73312715428254367352012-08-09T19:03:28.647+05:302012-08-09T19:03:28.647+05:30rajkumar ji above,
nice to see your views on NFU. ...rajkumar ji above,<br />nice to see your views on NFU. At least u agree that all directors in civil (which every tom,dick and harry and sundries become) will get NFU for Jt secy and they will enjoy it till 60 years of age. and mind u, it is your interpretation of the policy of NFU. Well, we will see it tweaked to benefit of all and sundry in civil and eventually all will get the benefits by hook or crook as everyone is affected by it. Now think of defence forces, a meagre percentage gets to be promoted to colonel and even if granted NFU will retire at 54 years of age and of course,training period is not counted. and of course, Committee of secretaries, will ensure that no arrears are paid like for civilians who got all the arrears from 01 jan 2006 for NFU. mind u no arrears were also paid for MSP while all civilian officers got arrears for grade pay which was also a new element of pay. So, evenif one agrees to your contention that only 10 percent will retire in HAG scale (logic though not clear), it will be clear to u and your friends that defence forces have been taken for ride well and proper. And still do not worry as committee of secretaries will come out with such recommendations which will confuse the issue further. And if they donot,then we have CGDA and PCDA(O) who will play havoc with the interpretationof a simple statement in the order. And then, it will be time for next pay commission wherein civilians will compare with their status with NFU with defence forces. So please do not worry. Committee of secretaries is not going to give anything to defence forces which they have not given to their brethren in civil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-65455551330833348212012-08-09T11:26:38.864+05:302012-08-09T11:26:38.864+05:30what about the report to be submitted on 08th Aug ...what about the report to be submitted on 08th Aug 2012?Was it submitted in time? If so, what are the contents?Parameswaran MK, Hon Lthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09032699653912307444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-14230923584329964342012-08-08T19:43:04.932+05:302012-08-08T19:43:04.932+05:30HIGHY WRONG TO POTRAY THAT ALL GP A OFFICERS WILL ...HIGHY WRONG TO POTRAY THAT ALL GP A OFFICERS WILL RETIRE IN HAG SCALE BY VIRTUE OF NFU SCHEME . REALITY IS ONLY OFFICERS WHO ALREADY REACHED UP TO SAG LEVEL ON REGULAR PROMOTION AND SERVED PRESCRIBED NO OF YEARS IN SAG SCALE AND MEETING MANY OTHER CRITERIA WILL BE ABLE TO GET HAG SCALE ON NFU BASIS . <br /><br />I THINK NET RESULT A VERY FEW PERCENTAGE OF ORGANISED GP A SERVICE OFFICERS , IN MY GUESS NOT MORE THAN 10 PERCENT OF TOTOAL GP A SERVICE OFFICER TAKEN ALL TOGETHER .rajkumarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-30012034936845952432012-08-08T17:20:53.356+05:302012-08-08T17:20:53.356+05:30lot of hulla gulla about NFU here . but all please...lot of hulla gulla about NFU here . but all please read rules of granting NFU . all terms and conditions for a regular promotion are to met for granting NFU .<br />so NFU can be given only in immediate next scale and not in next to next scale also unless one is promoted to next scale on regular basis . <br /><br />dy secy can be granted only the scale of dir in NFU and not that of Jt secy unless actually promoted to dir on regular basis .<br /><br />so dont be under impression that all GP A officers will get HAG scale .<br /><br />we als0 had high hopes initially but in practice it is a scheme only for grant of next scale only . pl mark my word only next scale .<br /><br />so after extension of scheme to armed forces a lt col cant get scale of brig unless he is actually promoted to col . or a col cant get scale of maj gen unless he is promoted to brig on regular basis .rajkumarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-68809839196492062832012-08-08T15:29:40.359+05:302012-08-08T15:29:40.359+05:30@Ananymous "A CUSTOMS OFFICER/SUPDT IN GP 460...@Ananymous "A CUSTOMS OFFICER/SUPDT IN GP 4600 EQUAL TO A SUBEDAR WEARS **". You do not think beyond Grade Pay and shows you are too inteligent. Custom Superintendents do not think of their Indian Emblem on shoulders but think of undeclared Jwellery, Non Custom paid Goods and Indian/Foreign Currency you are carrying with you.Before commenting please learn by asking any Custom Superintendent atleast. Their Grade pay is Rs. 4800/- and not 4600/- as claimed by you. After 4 years they get 5400?-Nowhere is 6100?- as claimed by you. JAI HIND JAI CUSTOMS.Tukaram V Manerajurikarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04976001338536770673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-35711585516889275132012-08-06T11:03:41.717+05:302012-08-06T11:03:41.717+05:30an article by Mr. Nitin Gokhle
In continuation...an article by Mr. Nitin Gokhle<br /> <br /><br />In continuation of the last post on 6th Pay Commission award to central government employees and the anomalies noticed in it vis-a-vis the military, here are some more examples of discrimination pointed out to me by friends in the military (and I have no reason to disbelieve them). When I ask friends in the Civil Services about this, they dismiss the issues as a minor aberrations and say the "military whines too much."<br /><br /><br />To which my counter is: who has brought the situation to this pass? There is no clear answer then.<br /><br /><br />In my view, these "minor quibbles" have created a reservoir of resentment that might just burst one day to everyone's detriment. In every interaction I have with soldiers from Andamans to Amritsar and from Kohima to Kargil, I hear the disgruntlement getting louder. I don't know if any one is monitoring/listening to these voices of hurt in India's cantonments.<br /><br /><br />For instance, a soldier or an airman posted in Shillong (which is not an insurgency area) doesn't get any extra allowance or is not allowed to retain any house in Delhi or elsewhere but when he hears a CRPF or a BSF employee posted in Shillong getting extra allowance just by virtue of being posted in the North-east (see table), naturally the Army jawan feels let down. He after all takes the same time to travel back home and faces the same hardship in dislocating his family. This is just one instance. One can quote many more examples.<br /><br /><br />But the powers-that-be better take heed before the situation gets out of hand.<br /><br /><br /> I feel if the country wants to retain the edge enjoyed by the soldier, these anomalies need to be addressed forthwith, otherwise a day will not be far off when it will be difficult to even get soldiers to join the armed forces.<br /><br /><br />http://nitinagokhale.blogspot.in/2012/07/why-soldiers-have-right-to-be-angry.html?spref=twRanjayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214199832089402723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-6763816406437735112012-08-05T12:34:46.880+05:302012-08-05T12:34:46.880+05:30GP OF UDC IS 2400 BUT WHAT MATTERS MORE THAN GP FO...GP OF UDC IS 2400 BUT WHAT MATTERS MORE THAN GP FOR THOSE IN UNIFORM IS THE RANK BADGES WORN. A SUBEDAR IN GP 4600 WEARS TWO STARS AND AN >>> AND DO EQUATE WITH ARMY HAV. NOT THEIR FAULT, BUT VIVIDLY A SYSTEMIC FLAW. EVEN A SENIOR ARMY MAJOR WITH JUST LESS THAN 13 YEARS CLASS I /GROUP A / COMMISSIONED SERVICE (EXCLUDING 3 - 4 YEARS ACADEMY TRAINING) WEARS AN ASHOKA EMBLEM AS AGAINST AN IPS OFFICER IN STS WITH 4 YEARS SERVICE INCLUDING ACADEMY TRAINING IN GP 6600 EQUAL TO A MAJOR WEARS RANK EQUAL TO A LT COL AND SOMETIMES THAT OF A FULL COLONEL. A CUSTOMS OFFICER/SUPDT IN GP 4600 EQUAL TO A SUBEDAR WEARS *** AND NEVER HESITATES TO QUOTE HIMSELF EQUAL TO A CAPT OF ARMY IN GP 6100. AGAIN NOT HIS FAULT. A FIERCE MOCKERY OF SYSTEM ALONE. WHO WILL RECTIFY THESE DISTURBING ANOMALIES AND WHEN. IS THE TIME YET NOT RIPE AND RIGHT????????????????? GP IN SUCH CASES IS ONLY ON PAPER AND WHAT IS WORN ONLY MATTERS. WE ALL RESENT THAT DIG USED TO BE A LT COL OR AT THE MOST A COL EQUIVALENT. FINE ONLY PENNIWISE BUT NEVER POUNDWISE. A DIG FLIES A FLAG ON VEHICLE BUT WOULD ANYONE ALLOW A COL LET ALONE A LT COL TO FLY A FLAG ON HIS VEH. EVEN GOD WILL HAVE TROUBLE IN RESOLVING SUCH COMPLEXITIES CREATED BY US ALL. MAJOR NAVDEEP SIR MAY KINDLY CORRECT IF ANYTHING HAS BEEN WRONGLY STATED HERE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-6409023039503237842012-08-05T08:47:04.986+05:302012-08-05T08:47:04.986+05:30Could the panel recommend, for instance, the immed...Could the panel recommend, for instance, the immediate withdrawal of application by UOI for recall of order of the Hon'ble Supreme Court regarding the IV CPC rank pay case? OROP and NFU are big issues that certainly need to be addressed. What about the clear cut issue of the IV CPC rank pay where the apex court had already given it's ruling and over which MOD is dragging it's feet?Dhoophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17461434428038701574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-22191977860255443182012-08-04T15:06:50.264+05:302012-08-04T15:06:50.264+05:30http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/government-not-t...http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/government-not-to-allow-defence-representatives-in-pay-panel-say-sources-251167?pfrom=home-otherstories<br />HERE IS THE OUTCOME OF DISCUSSION AND COMMENTS ON THIS TOPIC.<br />PLS CHECK THE LINKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-56060469681240283652012-08-04T14:12:27.407+05:302012-08-04T14:12:27.407+05:30Udc grade pay is 2400/-. Please do not mislead.Udc grade pay is 2400/-. Please do not mislead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-1317940341380604342012-08-03T22:41:04.305+05:302012-08-03T22:41:04.305+05:30Nobody is talking about PBOR's Salary all offi...Nobody is talking about PBOR's Salary all officers are sitting there and talks only about their salery hike. Most anomolies are amongs PBORs salery. Here the commettee are set up look up in to the all anomolies. <br />Here i want to memories all of about the PBORs salery.<br />1. Govt announced the 70% of pension for PBORs But this kept silent by all officers because it is not related with the officers.<br />2. Common pay structure of PBORs. there is huge gap between x group and other group pay. No officers are interested in it.<br />3. Earlier UDC of civilian are equallient of Hav of army but now HAv kept Rs 2800 Grade pay and UDC is in 4200/-<br />4. What is the criteria for MSP 6000 for officers and 2000 for PBORs. It sholud be equal for all defence personnel beacuse enemies bullet does not recognise rank and MSP.<br /><br />Plase do somthing for PBORs this time. Every time commette is set up for all ranks but our officers started shouting for their salaery hike.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-14722832154671882992012-08-03T20:39:14.816+05:302012-08-03T20:39:14.816+05:30Sir,
Great whoever get a chance ask for himsel...Sir,<br /> Great whoever get a chance ask for himself. have we ever thought what a NC'e lowest in the services get. The highest will be automatically getting more. Please find what is pay scale of a Gp D in a public sector unit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-11202112428551107702012-08-01T19:59:08.539+05:302012-08-01T19:59:08.539+05:30"NO member from Armed Forces????"
The wh...<i>"NO member from Armed Forces????"</i><br />The whole defence community has been crying itself hoarse over this issue.<br />I don't know why they did not have the courtesy to send this information to @Anonymous as he seems to have just woken up to this fact.corona8https://www.blogger.com/profile/14443791458911191943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1503293844377013031.post-26587627626444213522012-08-01T17:05:43.514+05:302012-08-01T17:05:43.514+05:30NO member from Armed Forces????
http://www.ndtv.c...NO member from Armed Forces????<br /><br />http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/pay-parity-panel-has-no-military-representative-navy-chief-to-defence-minister-250002Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com